February 2021 Update - Patch Notes Discussion

[Lily_Lancer]

Some unmentioned changes

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[Duke William of Normandy]

Oh man earth goddess has been my favorite recently, especially with preserve. It was way more powerful than the other crappy +2 faith to quarries type of pantheons though. I think it is still more powerful, though much closer to being balanced with those weak pantheons.

I also missed that Firaxis acknowledged the tourism bug with monopolies during the live stream, so I'm glad they noted it here.

Hopefully a modder can take that info and create a quick and dirty mod to fix it in the mean time.

( https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2399439885) Here's one provided by @Kupe Navigator.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

I can't find anything related in today's patch diff file, are all of those hardcoded, or did I miss something ?

I didn't see anything either. Wouldn't surprise me if it was hardcoded like they did with the Monopoly stuff, Hero abilities, etc.

 

[tedhebert]

Two things I've already noticed !

1) I saw the AI Squat a camp for at least 5-6 rounds. Stopped me from being able to disperse or raid it. Found it an interesting strategy option !
2) When it finally moved, on the same turn, a CS unit then proceeded to move onto it and dispersed it. Never even gave a single thought about THAT possibility before. So closeby CSes will impact the probability of a camp turning into a CS

I think this mode will end up having different strategy impacts than we expected

 

[CromulentRomulan]

I also missed that Firaxis acknowledged the tourism bug with monopolies during the live stream, so I'm glad they noted it here.

Appears to be some doubt as to whether they actually acknowledged the bug in that stream, and I'm still unclear what fix @charrison has in the works for it. They stated that "the multiplier only gets compounded if you have multiple monopolies" which honestly runs contrary to the detective debugging work done by members of this forum that isolated what appears to be wrong with the tourism bug.

This mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2399439885 proposes a fix. Another workaround I've been using is to set resources to abundant - doing so lets you create corporations of resources without triggering the monopoly tourism modifier. For the most part that is, there are still several resources that only spawn three instances of and therefore cannot be industry or corporation candidates

 

[kryat]

Some unmentioned changes

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What has changed about that?

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Some unmentioned changes

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Not sure what you mean. Looks the same to me.

 

[konokoni]

Craftsmanship is now a Military Policy Card, and Colonial Offices and Colonial Taxes are now Diplomatic Policy Cards.

I didn't watch the live stream so I didn't know about these. Is "Craftsmanship" actually the "Craftsmen" card? (https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Craftsmen_(Civ6))

Assuming that's the card in question, that change is by far the most interesting of the three IMO, I think the bonus competes better with the military cards at the time over the economic ones. I'm neutral on the colonial card change; diplo slots are somewhat rare and the colonial cards are somewhat niche; either you have a lot of off-continent cities and benefit greatly, or you don't and it's not worth the opportunity cost against Machiavellianism, Raj, Wisselbanken, Merchant Confederation, etc. Also, at that point in the game (theoretically) your colonies are growing, they're not established enough to make the % bonuses really strong... obviously there are always exceptions (Dido, Kupe) but I think these cards need a tweak more than a color change.

 

[InsidiousMage]

Not sure what you mean. Looks the same to me.

The negative amenity is new.

 

[Tuvok694]

Is it just me or are other people also annoyed by the fact that you CANNOT SAVE leader pools, natural wonders picks or city states picks?
If one wants to use these features you have to go through all the lists in every single game you play.
Isn't "saving pre-defined settings" usually a basic feature of ANY modern software product?

 

[CromulentRomulan]

The negative amenity is new.

No it isn't, that's the way the card was prior to this patch

Is it just me or are other people also annoyed by the fact that you CANNOT SAVE leader pools, natural wonders picks or city states picks?
If one wants to use these features you have to go through all the lists in every single game you play.
Isn't "saving pre-defined settings" usually a basic feature of ANY modern software product?

you can save a configuration

 

[bengalryan9]

The negative amenity is new.

I'm pretty sure it isn't.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

I didn't watch the live stream so I didn't know about these. Is "Craftsmanship" actually the "Craftsmen" card? (https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Craftsmen_(Civ6))

It is, I think they mistyped.

The negative amenity is new.

It's been that way. Nothing has changed in the files in regards to that policy.

 

[Tuvok694]

you can save a configuration

I know but then every setting is saved and you have to manually adjust all the other things.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Hmm, Idk if it was intended, but it appears as though the three policy changes are for the GS ruleset only. The changes were made in the Expansion2_Policies.xml, which has the Expansion2 criteria.

 

[CromulentRomulan]

I know but then every setting is saved and you have to manually adjust all the other things.

Personally City States are the only pool which I'd have an interest in having a preset for. It's mildly irritating that you can't have presets for wonders, leaders and city states but who knows it might be added before the dev on Civ 6 is over. There are other things about Civ 6 that vex me more deeply than this

 

[Shadowstrike]

As mentioned in our stream, the fix for the tourism bug with Monopolies is coming. Turnaround for bugs in the wild can take a while—we have to hear about it, confirm it, test it, make sure everything is okay. In the meantime, keep in mind that the multiplier only gets compounded if you have multiple monopolies—industries and corporations alone have no effect.

I'm confused by this statement. The bug is that the tourism modifier for a monopoly is "5% * number of copies of that one resource controlled in the monopoly * number of other civs", which is then separately applied to every individual civ. The fix should be to simply reduce the tourism modifier for a monopoly to just "5% * number of copies of that one resource controlled in the monopoly" and then have that apply to only civs that don't control a copy of that resource.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Is it just me or are other people also annoyed by the fact that you CANNOT SAVE leader pools, natural wonders picks or city states picks?
If one wants to use these features you have to go through all the lists in every single game you play.
Isn't "saving pre-defined settings" usually a basic feature of ANY modern software product?

I am also seeking for a swift "Mod" type solution right now.
These lists (even with plain old basic default stuff) are becoming huge (Terra Mirabilis expands the NW pool for example).

The selection HUD screen(s) could use dual columns at least to prevent the VERY annoying scroll effect. Besides there is plenty of room in that UI width principle to design such double conditions.

Too bad.. i won't be exploiting the Leaders Pool until we get to Save/Load our custom lists -- without their tragic limits as currently designed.

PS; Saving a "Configuration" isn't a proper solution, IMO. It's temporary & implies that we're expected to maintain multiple alternate versions of MANY more settings along and within those special files.

PS2; Just a rapid sample mockup to demonstrate how dual columns (of NW list) could fit in the default HUD.

 

[Isengardtom]

To be fair, yields from Appeal are a bit out of control since the introduction of the Preserve, so I guess the nerf is warranted.

Yeah, and I think Earth Goddess was already too strong pre Preserve

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Monarchy literally became a no brainer choice for Georgia then. It gives Georgia everything she wants: faster envoys, 2 wildcards, more housing and favor from walls.