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What's not sensible about skintight body suits?
Female Only Screenings of Wonder Woman - Sexist?
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What's not sensible about skintight body suits?
Seven of Nine was designed from the start to be eye candy. I recall reading an interview with Rick Berman about her costume fittings and how stimulated he and the other producers were about them. I guess it was just pandering to the largely male demographic that watched Voyager. I do agree that she should have been given a Star Fleet uniform, though. Even Deanna Troi eventually got one.
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Key word; eventually.
In visual media everything has to be eye candy, to some degree. You will never see a movie advertised as "starring a bunch of ugly people," or even ordinary people.
In visual media everything has to be eye candy, to some degree. You will never see a movie advertised as "starring a bunch of ugly people," or even ordinary people.
There was an episode where she time-traveled from the future and had a Star Fleet uniform. But, she was NOT part of Star Fleet otherwise. That happened in an alternate timeline. There's one episode where Icheb, a young man who had been liberated from The Borg Collective also, talks about taking the Star Fleet entrance exam. Seven never took the entrance exam, and it isn't even known that she even had a desire to join Star Fleet in the first place. Icheb was planning to take the exam, but they did NOT, as I recall, say anything about Seven planning to take the exam. Remember, civilians from Earth who are not members of Star Fleet in the Star Trek universe do exist.
Additionally, they never gave Neelix or Kes a Star Fleet uniform. And they shouldn't have.
Nor should they have given Seven a Star Fleet uniform. She never took the entrance exam and never had the required training, so it would be little more than her getting a token sort of uniform than having actually satisfied the requirements. I'm not arguing that she couldn't do so. I'm just saying that she didn't do so, and thus doesn't merit getting a Star Fleet uniform. And she might not have wanted to join Star Fleet.
I'm not so sure about that.
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Hm. I hadn't known about #7 or #9. I knew about #1-6 and #8.
As for the toupee, the actress playing Marta in "Whom Gods Destroy" (the episode about the insane asylum where Garth of Izar tormented his fellow inmates, and ended up killing Marta) said in an interview that nobody had told her that Shatner had a hair piece, and that's why he was particular about how some love scenes were done - he didn't want his hair disturbed.
I don't like Kirk any less whether his hair was real or not. But please do point me to some interview where Shatner himself has the last word.
I have a friend who says he would go in drag, just to make a point.Can't you go to the female only screening of Wonder Woman if you claim to identify as female?
Problem solved.
And just as an update... Stupidly enough, my girlfriends still can't see the potential double standard at work here!
Arrrgh! I just can't seem to make my point.
Deanna had one in "Encounter at Farpoint." Unfortunately, it was the skant-and-gogo-boots variety, and looked incredibly stupid on an adult female (and even dumber on the men we saw wearing them).
No kidding. Really? I must hustle down to the TIL thread and make a post.
A lot of the Maquis were never in Starfleet, either. Yet they got a uniform. By your reasoning, they should have spent the whole 7 years in what they had on their backs after the Val Jean was destroyed.
If Neelix had completed the security training he was taking, I daresay he might have received some sort of uniform. Kes never had any desire to join Starfleet, so in her case, the issue is moot.
Seven performed the duties of a Science Officer, with a side helping of Engineering, and had a great deal of assimilated knowledge of Starfleet and Federation history. There's no reason at all why Janeway couldn't have granted her some sort of officer status - a field promotion, as it were. After all, if Wesley Crusher could get promoted to Acting Ensign just by being in the right time and place to impress an alien visitor, surely Seven could get at least that by actually knowing what she was doing and having a hell of a lot more knowledge in a lot more disciplines than Beverly Crusher's bratty teenager.
Good thing there aren't any male only screenings for health care
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Oh wait.
You can't see the entire room in that picture so what other evidence do you have that there were only men in that room? Shameless politicizing is shameless.
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If you read discrimination law, gender identity makes for a protected category.
Also, the Alamo DraftHouse said that all of the workers would be female. So, no, what you claim doesn't solve the problem on two counts.
The Maquis might have revolted if they weren't treated in a certain way and they had to get integrated into the crew of the ship. Note that there did exist an episode where the possibility of a Maquis revolt came up, and one where they did training of Maquis crew members.
That's an interesting argument, but I think it indicates that Wesley did NOT have an official uniform. Additionally, I think Picard had a thing for Wesley's mother, so I'm not so sure that he actually ends up as that deserving of the uniform in the first place, and maybe it got done to woo her.
You did NOT demonstrate that Seven had any interest in joining Starfleet. We didn't see any such interest in any episode, even though we did see Icheb express such an interest. Additionally, I don't exactly know how the admirals at Star Fleet command would think of the idea of an ex-borg drone becoming a part of Star Fleet. Especially an ex-borg drone who got assimilated as a child. They might have been suspicious of such a thing for all we know, due to their hostility to The Borg, or because they worried that she might be a borg spy. So, she might have gotten denied from becoming a Star Fleet officer. Oh... and it could have been because she was an <snip> borg.
Furthermore, could you imagine the conversation between Janeway and the admirals:
"Janeway: I've just invited a liberated woman to join Star Fleet.
Admiral: Liberated from who?
Janeway: The Borg.
Admiral: You have borg joining Star Fleet... without consulting us?"
I do think that Seven's clothing was rather silly and didn't really seem to fit her character though... as appealing as she was to look at in such clothing... Star Trek wasn't some show primarily intended to appeal to sexual appetite.
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Primarily...no. But that doesn't mean not at all.
As I recall, the Maquis weren't too pleased at being forced to wear Starfleet uniforms, and Tuvok informed the trainees that accessories such as scarves were not permitted.
Wesley went from ugly sweaters (which mysteriously got passed on to Icheb) to a couple of grey-and-striped outfits that weren't exactly uniforms but were more than obviously civilian wear, and in his last episode as a regular, he was in normal uniform.
It's irrelevant as to whether or not Seven wanted to join Starfleet. We were discussing what she was wearing, and in her holodeck fantasy, she did request a uniform. Since her holodeck fantasy was presumably her true thoughts and feelings, Seven did show a desire to fit in with everyone else. So even though she had no official rank, she could still wear the uniform of a rankless crewman. And shame on Janeway for never offering it.
As to the rest of your rant, the official novels have dealt with what happens to Seven after they reach Earth. There's also plenty of post-Endgame fanfic around, and it's all over the map: Seven joins Starfleet; Seven becomes a civilian consultant to Starfleet; Chakotay goes back to being an archaeologist and Seven goes with him (they marry); Seven dies; in the series of stories I just finished, Seven and Samantha Wildman marry and Chakotay dies on the same planet as Joe Carey (Carey survives).
So yeah, if you want to see Seven being bullied, harassed, and tormented by Starfleet just for being Borg, there are novels and fanfic that will cater to that.
They didn't seem to mind Icheb joining Starfleet, and he was liberated for a lot less time than Seven.
The practical asymmetrie notwithstanding, the 1964 Civil Rights Act as well as the proposed Equality Acts of 2015 and 2017 treat these things in the same fashion.
That is what i was talking about.
And i am extremely confident you understood that just fine.
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She was also in a relationship that she wasn't ready for at that point in time. So, no, I think that represents her true thoughts and feelings, more like what she wanted to explore and consider.
Icheb never was a drone though. He got rejected by The Borg before he reached maturity. Seven was a drone and assimilated people.
*sigh*
Seven was using that program partly as a way to practice the social lessons the Doctor was giving her, and she chose Chakotay as the male subject to practice on. Somewhere along the line she let herself slip into holoaddiction. But the whole issue of wanting a uniform wasn't just a social lesson thing. Seven really did want to fit in - to be less of an outsider.
Yes, Icheb was a drone. An immature one who hadn't yet emerged from the maturation chamber, but nonetheless, a drone.
Seven was using that program partly as a way to practice the social lessons the Doctor was giving her, and she chose Chakotay as the male subject to practice on. Somewhere along the line she let herself slip into holoaddiction. But the whole issue of wanting a uniform wasn't just a social lesson thing. Seven really did want to fit in - to be less of an outsider.
Yes, Icheb was a drone. An immature one who hadn't yet emerged from the maturation chamber, but nonetheless, a drone.
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I haven't watched Voyager in ages, but didn't the Maquis all get Starfleet uniforms?
I mean, I have nothing against Seven of Nine wearing a skin tight uniform telling me "Fun will now commence" but going to such lengths to rationalize it seems a bit odd.
Yep -- episode one, they fuse together as one crew, a Starfleet crew. The Maquis thing practically never came up except in a few holodeck related episodes.
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Is the implication here that specials on Netflix outweigh his special on Comedy Central that I already credited him for?
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