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I see what you mean but that's not a great comparison. The ruling families (whether in China or anywhere else) are typically NOT the footsoldiers in a country that have to do the fighting/dying/dirty work.
That's kind of the point... We're discussing whether specific gender disadvantages or costs of maintaining privilege are good arguments for claiming oppression. The nature of their argument extends to some interesting circumstances where you can claim slaves are privileged and free citizens oppressed, or could even claim a ruling family is oppressed and the peasants privileged. I'm trying to figure out where folks are drawing their lines and how that fits with their arguments, assuming it does.
 
Holy moly. Lots of pseudo-intellectuals not up to the task of understanding societies can have multiple systems of oppression at once. e.g. Patriarchy and aristocracy.

That or they have some motive to scrabble for the crown of Biggest Victim for their precious men. White knighting much?
 
Like, do you have any urge to examine your position for a secure foundation when you've got a guy who presents an infringed right to genital integrity as an example of male oppression currently, but gives little weight to women's right to be people in a historical society because some soldiers in the same society died.

You could at least be saying "come on m8, be a bit more rigorous."
 
You are arguing that men are an oppressed group because they bear heavy burdens of losing in war.

No, I'm NOT saying that. Men still fierce the fiercest burdens in war even if they win. I haven't played past civ III, but if you played that one, think of all the yellow and redlining of your troops even when you win a battle. Battle scars and death of soldiers happened to all societies who fight in wars.

Also, I did not use the term "oppressed group"? I talked about construction workers. I don't consider them an oppressed group just for taking on the risk of building a building, even if they die. So, I don't know why you characterized me as saying that.

I'm asking if you think a ruling families in China were an oppressed group because they bore the fiercest burdens of losing war

Ex post facto, whoever loses the war and gets killed or enslaved ended up as the most oppressed. Once they lost the war, those PREVIOUSLY ruling families were the most oppressed if other groups did not get similarly murdered. Those families were simply not ruling and oppressed at the same time. They ruled, THEN they got oppressed at a different time. Your question confuses different times.

Those families were not oppressed when ruling. But, they were oppressed once they lost the war. But note that I did not say "ruling".
 
Points for the first part of the sentence, but I take them away for the last part. You've probably never had a long conversation with a woman who really and truly wished she was dead because of a rape - and has telltale slash marks on her wrists from trying to end it.
Actually I do, which kinda kills your attempt of argument by authority. Don't assume automatically that anyone who disagree do so just out of insensitiveness or ignorance - for all you know, *I* could have been abused as a child after all, and actually know it from personal experience (no, that's not the case, but it very well could have been, so you should perhaps not jump to conclusions).

And yes, it makes me VERY angry when I see people claiming that rape is worse than death. It's both intellectually stupid (it really doesn't take a genius to notice that you can heal from rape, but you can't heal from death ; it also doesn't take a genius, especially for people who claim to be feminists and should know how the real scandal of rape, which is how frighteningly COMMON it is, would mean that a whole chunk of humanity would have killed itself already if it were actually worse than death) and emotionnally dishonest (it's just claiming a very specific crime is "the worst", dismissing/devaluating the horrible experiences that others could have lived through, and it's attempting to claim that anyone who doesn't agree "dismiss the person's experience").

Rape was for a long time undervalued and treated shamefully (to the point of often blaming the victim herself about it). Putting emphasis on the gravity of rape was warranted, opening the eyes of people on how traumatic it can be was required. It was a good and necessary move, but of course when the discourse is overloaded with emotional baggage like in this case, it causes some spilling effect into the realm of exageration, and the trend of depicting rape as "the absolute worst crime" is a toxic side-effect - which also makes any discussion about it difficult as people who don't accept said exageration as the truth are dismissed as "ignorant" or "sexists", and it blinds people to the reality of nuances and degrees.

What makes life looks "worse than death" is when your life so painful that you see death as a release. It's neither exclusive to rape nor systematic to it (most rape victims, hopefully, manage to get through and live normal lives, even if they never completely forget the experience). Pain is personal. People commit suicide for lots of reasons, and people can be psychologically broken for lots of reasons, people can find life unbearable and wish to end it to escape the pain from lots of reasons. It does not necessarily means that what makes their life a living hell is by itself worse than death - different people react very differently, and endure very differently, to the same situations.
This is a fact (some soldiers coming back from war suffers from PTSD and are broken inside, and they have comrades who have lived through the same situations and are mostly fine), and recognizing it doesn't mean we suddendly dismiss or ignore the very real pain felt by people (we don't say - or at least shouldn't - to these traumatized soldiers that their feelings are wrong or not valid).

In fact, if we were accepting this grotesque idea that rape is worse than death by itself, we would just kill any victim of rape. Obviously we don't, and obviously the very idea is repulsive, and in fact we try to heal people from their trauma so they can get on with their lives in the best way possible - that should be a big serie of hints already.
 
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Traditionally, men were delegated to the political realm, that doesn't mean that women were being oppressed by them.
Yeah, I'm sure that the women yawned and said, "Politics is such a bother, with all that arguing and deciding who gets what - you men go do it while I clean the home, haul the water, cook the meals, mend the clothes, birth and care for the children, submit to beatings if I displease you (or for no reason in particular), ask your permission to come and go, and not inherit anything if/when you die." :rolleyes:

What would happen to a woman's right to the property if she left her husband in Rome? Who possessed the superior inheritance rights - a wife or a son?
It depends on which time frame you're talking about. In some ways women were freer in the Republic than in the Empire. Augustus made some changes regarding women; women got extra privileges if they had borne three children (Augustus was concerned about the birth rate), but penalized a childless woman between the ages of 20 and 50 if she did not marry within six months of being divorced or within a year after becoming a widow (Source: Roman Women: Their Lives and Habits; Balsdon; p. 222). He made some pretty harsh laws in other ways. He banished his own daughter for adultery; she was confined on a succession of small islands, and eventually starved to death after Tiberius cut her food ration past the point of sustainability.

Women could inherit, but were still legally under the control of their father or husband or grown son.

With respect to 2., women can unilaterally opt out of having to have responsibility for a child after sex by say adoption (and not telling the man), or in enough cases abortion. Men don't have such a right to unilaterally opt out having responsibility for a child after sex. And culturally speaking such men get called "dead beats". I don't know of any slightly similar term for women choosing to opt out of parental responsibility and some people really do believe that even if their opting out involves the death of a sentient child, such opting out works out as morally acceptable.
If you mean abortion, then say so. If you mean something else, then clarification is needed.

Also, in terms of family relations the whole notion of patriarchy even historically speaking seems exaggerated. Even in places where wives couldn't own property but husbands could, that doesn't exactly show patriarchy. It can indicate male preference, but patriarchy has to involve rule by the father. If the husband who owns property and the wive can't, but the husband is not the father of the children he raises, then he is simply not a patriarch, because he is not the father. And men raising children who are not their own for one reason or another is as old as humanity.
You're taking this far too literally. Since Rome was brought up earlier, it was not unusual at all for men to adopt heirs, even if the heir in question was already an adult. The adoptee owed the adoptive parent the same duties and loyalties that a natural child would owe. The adoptive parent was the head of the family and had control over everyone in the household - his wife, his children (no matter their ages or marital status), and his slaves. If he was a patron to others, he had a right to expect certain loyalties from them, as well.

With respect to 6. a man's shirt and a woman's blouse are not the same goods. With respect to discounts at business, I think those generally apply to say car washes or discounts on the same goods. Also, do you really think that a woman's blouse is just about as complicated as a man's shirt? I mean, don't men generally dress more plainly, perhaps prudently, perhaps boringly, than women?
I buy my plain, mono-colored t-shirts from the men's section of a particular store. They're a hell of a lot cheaper than they'd be if I bought anything similar from the women's section, and there are more sizes available. Not to mention, the neckline doesn't plunge as though all women want to show off their "assets". Granted, I'm not likely to find anything in pinks, purples, or a few other shades I like... but they fit, they're comfortable, and they've lasted years. I hate shopping for clothes, and only do it when absolutely necessary.

There are many items that perform the same function for both sexes, but the women's versions are priced higher than the men's versions. FFS, some years ago they (some marketers) decided that women needed our own special "pens for women" - in pink and purple - as though plain ball-points are too hard for us to manage. Of course the price was higher than the normal pens. And I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw a tool kit - hammer, screwdrivers, pliers, etc. - marketed to women. Naturally, all the handles were pink and the price was a lot higher than I'd expect to pay at the nearest hardware aisle at the mall.

Pedobear would fit that description. So yeah, I guess I like rape memes.
Wow. :huh: I guess you'd have loved the set of Collectibles that was available on the Cheezburger site a few years ago. The set involved a series of four cereal boxes, one of which had Pedobear on it, with a thinly-disguised name of a popular RL cereal. There was a backlash from a lot of us who were participating in this activity, and after a group threatened to report Cheezburger's associating the cereal company with rape to the cereal company itself, the set was pulled and a substitution was made.

This is not funny. Not at all.

The Romans literally crucified people they didn't like. Do you really think that they crucified women close to as many men as they crucified?
Some women were crucified, yes. There were many execution methods used - strangulation, starvation (that's what ultimately happened to Augustus' daughter Julia, and Claudius' sister Livilla (because she murdered her husband - who was Tiberius' son and heir - and conspired with Sejanus to murder Tiberius himself), being buried alive, being stabbed to death, beheading...

Their is no shortage of wars in Roman history, is there? Did the Romans target the women in those wars, or did they target the men? Who suffered wounds on the battlefields? Who died or got seriously crippled because they were working with iron? Did the women work the iron mines? Who died or got seriously injured when they built their aqueducts? When the Romans wanted slaves did they mostly want women slaves, or male slaves to ease the burden of heavy manual labor?
Women were considered spoils of war, and yes, they wanted them for slaves - plenty of manual labor was performed by women, and the Roman attitude of the "virtuous woman" was one who kept the home, raised the children, and spent her time quietly, spinning and weaving. Even the aristocratic women and girls in Augustus' household were expected to do their share of spinning and weaving; that was considered an essential skill for a girl to learn before she was married off.

This is basically what I mean by I hate male feminists and only respect the female ones. That the male feminists are the man haters, and the female feminists have empathy.
Interesting. The Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, is a self-proclaimed feminist. I haven't noticed any indication that he hates men.
 
Wow. :huh: I guess you'd have loved the set of Collectibles that was available on the Cheezburger site a few years ago. The set involved a series of four cereal boxes, one of which had Pedobear on it, with a thinly-disguised name of a popular RL cereal. There was a backlash from a lot of us who were participating in this activity, and after a group threatened to report Cheezburger's associating the cereal company with rape to the cereal company itself, the set was pulled and a substitution was made.

This is not funny. Not at all.
"Cheezburger", is that an old-people's site?

Of course you have every right to not find it funny and complain when these things happen in the communities that you are part of. That's the great thing about the internet, you can have your space with your level of acceptable humor, and I can have my space where basically everything is allowed to be the subject of a joke.
 
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"Cheezburger", is that an old-people's site?

Of course you have every right to not find it funny and complain when these things happen in the communities that you are part of. That's the great thing about the internet, you can have your space with your level of acceptable humor, and I can have my space where basically everything is allowed to be the subject of a joke.

[snip] - freedom of speech does not mean you have to exercise transgressive speech at all times. As this forum is a widely open public space, deliberately letting rape victims know that you find their ordeal a suitable subject for merriment could be viewed as aggressive, or at least indicative of a failure of empathy. As I'm sure you don't mean it in this manner, you may want to develop the habit of running an empathy check on communications relating to transgressive subjects and filter out those that could be hurtful.

Ditto for telling someone who has counselled rape victims about this, and then dismissing them as emotional when, intentionally or not, your words are kind of wounding.

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If you mean abortion, then say so. If you mean something else, then clarification is needed.

No, I do NOT just mean abortion. Women can unilaterally opt via adoption. Or leaving a child at a safe haven. Men can't do that unilaterally. Hence, I said legal parental surrender initially.

You're taking this far too literally.

The only anchor when talking about "patriarchy" consists of the literal definition of the term. There exist so many different descriptions, that only the literal definition works, because that remains consistent.

Not to mention, the neckline doesn't plunge as though all women want to show off their "assets".

Those are the not same t-shirts. You simply do not seem to control for independent variables or seem to have any interest in doing so. You seem to almost gleefully compare apples to tomatoes and then claim that tomatoes get more harshly treated by teeth, even though they have a rather different texture.

There are many items that perform the same function for both sexes, but the women's versions are priced higher than the men's versions.

Your t-shirt example didn't work, as you admitted that the t-shirts show off women's "assets".

FFS, some years ago they (some marketers) decided that women needed our own special "pens for women" - in pink and purple - as though plain ball-points are too hard for us to manage.

Color can have functionality to it. I don't know about with pens, but do you really think that a pink shirt gives off the same impression as a black shirt? Is a black dress really as functional as a white dress for the bride at a wedding? Would a purple dress really do when fashion matters? Would a green dress? Would a red, white, and green, and yellow dress work at a wedding or in a church or in a business setting? Don't women sometimes make statements... whatever those statements are... by say dyeing their hair purple?

Some women were crucified, yes.

I did not ask whether there existed women who got crucified. Thus, you didn't answer my question... not that you have to, but if you say "yes" that suggests you intended to answer my question and that some got crucified doesn't answer it. I asked how often men got crucified in comparison to how often women got crucified. Existential quantification is not close in structure to quantification involving frequency in most cases.

Women were considered spoils of war, and yes, they wanted them for slaves - plenty of manual labor was performed by women, and the Roman attitude of the "virtuous woman" was one who kept the home, raised the children, and spent her time quietly, spinning and weaving.

I asked about what the Romans wanted *mostly* with respect to slaves. Not if they wanted both female and male slaves.

Manual labor just means working with your hands. Such labor can be delicate or rough. Digging a ditch or building an aqueduct is not like "spinning and weaving" now, is it?

I haven't noticed any indication that he hates men.

Trudeau actually wanted to/did want a policy where they explicitly excluded Syrian single male migrants. They would let/do let single female migrants in. Maybe that's not hatred of men, but it's not the same opportunity with respect to migration. It is not equality, and Trudeau was the one who made an offhand remark to Trump implying that Canada has it's immigration policy right, even though it explicitly discriminates/planned to discriminate on the basis of sex.
 
"Cheezburger", is that an old-people's site?

Of course you have every right to not find it funny and complain when these things happen in the communities that you are part of. That's the great thing about the internet, you can have your space with your level of acceptable humor, and I can have my space where basically everything is allowed to be the subject of a joke.
Oh, so you're compounding the offensiveness of your previous post, I see.

Cheezburger = cheezburger.com, which used to be known as I Can Has Cheezburger?. I used to have a link in my sig to my page on that site - many thousands of photos and webcomics of lolpics involving cats, dogs, other animals, humans, inspirational quotes on some very nice scenic backgrounds, and so on. I assure you that it's not a site for "old people." There's a reason why I state in my profile on that site that I don't accept friend requests from underage people; I don't want to get inundated with what passes for humor in the 18 and under crowd these days, and neither do most of the people on my friends list there. There are lots of young people on that site and I daresay a good number of them hang out with their age-mates.
 
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...a worldview and system that wouldn't reproduce if you trained your oppressed class to be fighters.
You're repeating the exact same bullcrap while completely ignoring the entire point. Women were not trained into fighters because they were simply considered unefficient about it, not about some weird conspiracy to keep them in check. Their subservient status was a consequence of this worldview taking root, not some evil dictator plan.
I'm not disagreeing that there's a double standard because there absolutely is, but I'm not sure it can be argued that there's a double standard as a result of women being superior. It seems to me that it's more likely that women come out on top because it's a woman's weakness being used as a negative judgement on the man (allowing himself to be abused, in the eyes of society).
We kinda are in agreement here. The irony here is that this condescending opinion over women is precisely one that feminism should fight against.
Female privilege the most obvious reason. You have to take extra mental steps to blame it on "patriarchy". Again, is it really a patriarchy if men are the ones disadvantaged? We're all ignoring the obvious answer right in front of our noses.
While it's true there is also several points on which men are at a cultural/social disadvantages, and if one is fighting for equality then they should correct it, it doesn't mean that such disadvantages disprove "patriarchy".
These disadvantages are often just consequences of being considered "superiors".
 
Good job. You've saved a valuable and interesting discussion from certain doom.

Now then. Are we satisfied Rome qualified as an extreme patriarchy alongside other characteristics? Where does that leave us?

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Women in Classical Rome didn't even get their own names, dude. Not exactly the best example to be citing.
There's a common theme to responses like these. You completely ignore the male experience and focus solely on the female experience as the source of truth. Well contrary to what feminism has taught us, we need to consider both.

Spoonwood made a great post showing that, when you look at the big picture, men seem to come out on bottom. No one has really addressed this, beyond some weak strawmanning:
The Romans literally crucified people they didn't like. Do you really think that they crucified women close to as many men as they crucified?

Their is no shortage of wars in Roman history, is there? Did the Romans target the women in those wars, or did they target the men? Who suffered wounds on the battlefields? Who died or got seriously crippled because they were working with iron? Did the women work the iron mines? Who died or got seriously injured when they built their aqueducts? When the Romans wanted slaves did they mostly want women slaves, or male slaves to ease the burden of heavy manual labor?

I completely disagree with your claim. The more you take into account in your equation, compared to women, the worse off men show up to be and the better off women show up to be, comparatively speaking.
 
There's a common theme to responses like these. You completely ignore the male experience and focus solely on the female experience as the source of truth. Well contrary to what feminism has taught us, we need to consider both.

Spoonwood made a great post showing that, when you look at the big picture, men seem to come out on bottom. No one has really addressed this, beyond some weak strawmanning:

Finding one rich black family doesn't disprove racism in America. Finding a male slave doesn't disprove patriarchy in Rome.

Or was it some other point you wanted addressing?
 
As this forum is a widely open public space, deliberately letting rape victims know that you find their ordeal a suitable subject for merriment could be viewed as aggressive, or at least indicative of a failure of empathy. As I'm sure you don't mean it in this manner, you may want to develop the habit of running an empathy check on communications relating to transgressive subjects and filter out those that could be hurtful.
I agree that this is a space that is not the venue for rape jokes, which is why I didn't make any, not once during the years that I was active in these forums.

But saying that I can't say that I enjoy rape jokes is ridiculous. As is the idea that because I enjoy rape jokes I find the actual idea that somebody has been raped raped to be funny.

If somebody is so desperate to have something to complain about that they're hurt because of what i do or do not enjoy, then that's their problem, not mine.

Oh, so you're compounding the offensiveness of your previous post, I see.

Cheezburger = cheezburger.com, which used to be known as I Can Has Cheezburger?. I used to have a link in my sig to my page on that site - many thousands of photos and webcomics of lolpics involving cats, dogs, other animals, humans, inspirational quotes on some very nice scenic backgrounds, and so on. I assure you that it's not a site for "old people." There's a reason why I state in my profile on that site that I don't accept friend requests from underage people; I don't want to get inundated with what passes for humor in the 18 and under crowd these days, and neither do most of the people on my friends list there. There are lots of young people on that site and I daresay a good number of them hang out with their age-mates.
I see. Wasn't a jab at you though, the name of the site just sounds like slang that was cool around 10-20+ year ago, when fast food was "cool" and people wrote everything with a z, because that was "hip".

In any case, like I said. Different venues have different rules. If a particular site is seen as a "rape joke free zone", then that's a decision that site can make. If another site makes another decision, that's fine, too.
 
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No, I do NOT just mean abortion. Women can unilaterally opt via adoption. Or leaving a child at a safe haven. Men can't do that unilaterally. Hence, I said legal parental surrender initially.
Safe havens aren't universal, and even in the cities where they exist, not all women know they exist.

The only anchor when talking about "patriarchy" consists of the literal definition of the term. There exist so many different descriptions, that only the literal definition works, because that remains consistent.
You didn't really pay attention to what I wrote, did you? Your reasoning implies that no man can give orders to another person or enforce familial customs/obligations unless he's that person's biological father, which is absurd.

Those are the not same t-shirts. You simply do not seem to control for independent variables or seem to have any interest in doing so. You seem to almost gleefully compare apples to tomatoes and then claim that tomatoes get more harshly treated by teeth, even though they have a rather different texture.
That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

Your t-shirt example didn't work, as you admitted that the t-shirts show off women's "assets".
The function of a t-shirt is to cover the upper body, no matter who wears it. The fact is that some women's t-shirts have low necklines. Not all of them. I've explained why I prefer men's t-shirts, at least most of the time. I do have women's t-shirts, other tops, blouses, etc., but don't wear them very often. But the fact remains that whether you're talking about t-shirts or many other items used by both sexes and that serve the same function, the women's items will be more expensive.

Color can have functionality to it. I don't know about with pens, but do you really think that a pink shirt gives off the same impression as a black shirt? Is a black dress really as functional as a white dress for the bride at a wedding? Would a purple dress really do when fashion matters? Would a green dress? Would a red, white, and green, and yellow dress work at a wedding or in a church or in a business setting? Don't women sometimes make statements... whatever those statements are... by say dyeing their hair purple?
It depends on the situation. When I worked backstage in the theatre, all the stage hands and props crew, and any other crew that could be potentially visible to the audience had to wear black - everything, including shirts, pants, shoes, and socks, to avoid being a distraction. Even when I was a dresser and had quick-changes to attend to in the wings, I had to wear black. If I'd turned up in a pink t-shirt, I'd have been sent home to change.

The color of a wedding dress depends on the culture and era. My grandmother didn't have a wedding dress, as she and my grandfather got married by a judge. My mother had a traditional white gown for her first marriage, but wore a simple pant suit for her second (they were married in the court house). For a wedding to be legal, though, it doesn't matter what the participants are wearing, as long as it's enough to cover what has to be covered. North America isn't ready for Betazoid weddings yet.

The last time I attended a wedding was at a Society for Creative Anachronism event. The bride wore a 15th-century Spanish gown and the groom wore a Scottish tartan (clan Cameron) and was otherwise dressed as a 16th-century Scotsman. In this setting, 20th century clothing was not welcome. All attendees were to be dressed in an outfit depicting any cultures dating from 600-1600 AD, as long as that culture had documented contact with Europe during that time.

I did not ask whether there existed women who got crucified. Thus, you didn't answer my question... not that you have to, but if you say "yes" that suggests you intended to answer my question and that some got crucified doesn't answer it. I asked how often men got crucified in comparison to how often women got crucified. Existential quantification is not close in structure to quantification involving frequency in most cases.
Y'know what? I don't really care to get that nitpicky. Since I don't own a time machine and I doubt even the Romans kept such detailed records, you're not going to get the answer you want.

I asked about what the Romans wanted *mostly* with respect to slaves. Not if they wanted both female and male slaves.
Okay, they mostly wanted slaves to do the work they didn't want to do themselves. Such has been the case throughout the history of slavery in the world. In second place comes the part of slavery that still exists today - buying and selling humans for sex and other forms of entertainment (ie. the arena, in the case of Rome).

Manual labor just means working with your hands. Such labor can be delicate or rough. Digging a ditch or building an aqueduct is not like "spinning and weaving" now, is it?
Ask the child laborers in various Asian countries if the incredibly long hours they put in for minuscule pay when they make carpets and other textiles is "delicate" work.

For that matter, ask me about how much pain can build up when hooking rugs or doing 3-D needlepoint for 12 hours a day. It damn well hurts, in the neck, shoulders, arms, and fingers, not to mention eyestrain and headache. But when you've got a deadline to meet, and/or it's a commissioned piece, you work through it - even when the project calls for wool and you discover that you have a contact allergy to wool.

So no, it's not the same as digging a ditch, but when it's not a casual thing that might be done for a few minutes here and there, it can build up a considerable amount of pain.

Trudeau actually wanted to/did want a policy where they explicitly excluded Syrian single male migrants. They would let/do let single female migrants in. Maybe that's not hatred of men, but it's not the same opportunity with respect to migration. It is not equality, and Trudeau was the one who made an offhand remark to Trump implying that Canada has it's immigration policy right, even though it explicitly discriminates/planned to discriminate on the basis of sex.
Trudeau did the smart thing to avoid some of the problems experienced in Europe. Canada's purpose in accepting the Syrians is to encourage them to become productive Canadian citizens, not just temporary guests who would turn around and leave, or bring their fight here. I realize it's not fair to a lot of single Syrian men, but they are a demographic that tends to be suspected of having terrorist sympathies more than single women are suspected.

Of course anyone can have terrorist sympathies or be radicalized, and there are cases of young women leaving the country and going over there to fight or become willing suicide bombers.
 
Round and round the discussion goes, without connecting the competition intrinsic to most of your psyches and societies with anything. You will continue blaming one another as long as things keep going the way they are, unless you act to reduce the runaway competition afflicting each and every one of you, and consequently, each and every one of us. Here are a few interesting reads, if you really are wondering why things may have gotten so bad both for your women and your men:

Gender Differences in Cooperation and Competition
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2007.01842.x

Culture and the evolution of human cooperation
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/364/1533/3281.short

The nature of human altruism
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v425/n6960/abs/nature02043.html

Gender Differences in Competition: Evidence From a Matrilineal and a Patriarchal Society
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3982/ECTA6690/full
 
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