As we have a guaranteed working dll for 50 civs and the existing agreed list is 53, if it does transpire that 53 must make 50 then I would imagine it'd make more sense to merge 3 civs into ones already represented in the game. I do not agree with starting to make massive changes such as splitting the EU up, which is just going to require more work and rip apart work that has already been done. We could argue about Europe solutions, ASEAN solutions etc all day, but since we already have I think it's most sensible to stick to what we have as far as is possible. I don't think it should be too difficult to remove 3 civs without goiing back to the drawing board, but i DO agree that sooner rather than later if there IS A PROBLEM with the dll that we make the cut and move on. Indeed it is the problem with the dll that Kai was aasking for many moons ago when he wanted to be doing city placements etc. This is not a big issue, so if we only have 50 then can we go with 50? Now I have no idea about dlls, how to make one, how to source one etc, but i can see this is holding things up. I recommend that unless we have a working 53 civ dll within 1 WEEK (10th August 2009) that we move to cut 3 civs. This is not alot and would move us on with minimum disruption I'm sure. Niknaks and team, what do you think?