Final Fixes Reborn

[black_imperator]

Revision 337 released, with a rebalance on the crime system, and hopefully more stable than 336

 

[Edish]

Revision 337 released, with a rebalance on the crime system, and hopefully more stable than 336

Great! Any quick write up if the crime changes?

 

[black_imperator]

no, but you get a breakdown on why it evolves in the city menu, and the domestic advisor gets a crime column to keep track of it ( also i added a number of your pedias, not all of them yet though)

 

[Nor'easter]

Revision 337, having problems with the startup.

First I tried to play a Custom Game with my usual settings. I went into "Restrict Random Civilizations" and, after selecting the Civs I didn't want in the game, clicked "Continue" and nothing happened, I was stuck on that screen. So I force-closed the game.

Second I tried a "Play Now" game. This time the "Initializing" screen took about 4-5 minutes. Then the game started and the screen with the Civ and Leader came up. I clicked on "Continue" and again, nothing happened, I was stuck on that screen. So I again force-closed the game and tried another "Play Now" game with the same result.

I used the AoE Launcher all three times.

 

[black_imperator]

hmmm, just checked, and you're right on the continue thing. (somehow using Esc works, which is why i hadn't noticed, i play the game mostly with keyboard). I'll look into it.

 

[Nor'easter]

I thought it might be a problem with the Modules, actually. What I've noticed is that when I update to the latest SVN revision the Modules in the AoE Launcher seem to get messed up, with several being listed twice, once as active and once as inactive. So I decided to delete the folder containing the Mod and do a fresh download.

Useful to know the Esc thing, thanks.

 

[black_imperator]

(the esc thing doesn't work for the restrict civ menu apparently)

 

[black_imperator]

Revision 337, having problems with the startup.

First I tried to play a Custom Game with my usual settings. I went into "Restrict Random Civilizations" and, after selecting the Civs I didn't want in the game, clicked "Continue" and nothing happened, I was stuck on that screen. So I force-closed the game.

Second I tried a "Play Now" game. This time the "Initializing" screen took about 4-5 minutes. Then the game started and the screen with the Civ and Leader came up. I clicked on "Continue" and again, nothing happened, I was stuck on that screen. So I again force-closed the game and tried another "Play Now" game with the same result.

I used the AoE Launcher all three times.

ok, rev 338 commited, fixing the click issue. that was a weird one, there's dll file where every new interface elements ( pop ups, tooltips, ...) is listed. It appears that the close_screen element cannot be moved out of it position in the list, which i did when adding the crime tooltip earlier in the list.

 

[Nor'easter]

(the esc thing doesn't work for the restrict civ menu apparently)

It might be easier for me to just disable the Hamstalfar module -- that's a Civ I always block, since it really takes me out of the mood. I also always play with the "No Liberation" option, so maybe I'll just disable the Frozen module as well.

 

[black_imperator]

well, i fixed the issue anyway. (but i agree that both hamstalfar and frozen need something done about them)

 

[Go2got]

Danggggg I still can't get past the loading screen when starting a "Play Now" or custom game

 

[black_imperator]

try to clear your cache, (you can find it in c:/Users/Username/Appdata/Local/My Games/BTS)

 

[Go2got]

Yeah it still won't let me start a game

 

[Calavente]

great ! I'll have to finish that grigory game... and start a new one ..

questions about balance (applies to previous versions of the game):
- what is the interest of Knights over War chariots ? (W-Chariots seems stronger, and come earlier...) (Maybe Knight could get something special, instead of being "just 4 more toned-down W-Chariots-like).
- It seems I get all my adventurers into scouts, give them all the bloods I can.. and upgrade them for HA or War chariots for 17+ str units (12/9 + spider blood + elephant blood + poisoned blade +iron weapons) . I'm not sure if the "blood's" should transfer to non-recon units or if it'll be better if we could make a promotions for accepting "blood promotion"s, available to all units. At the moment, this possibility makes for boring micromanagement
- Heroic arcane are not as fun as other games : heroic-only arcane promotion is not so useful and twincast option is available to all... and not so interesting as you had to sacrifice 6 promotions... thus 6 spells.. and thus probably at least one full mastery for next archmage ! (no idea what to propose)
- Great Generals focused on Siege have a hard time getting xp as siege almost don't get xp: at most they get 1 after withdrawing. Maybe Siege bombard could give xp proportional to defense destroyed ? or ranged attacks increased xp, or their city attacks get +1xp ? (thus the Artillery mastery promotion is nigh-impossible to get : battlemaster 3 + artillery 2... needs at least to reach lvl 7 and most likely level 8 !! (to get the increased xp promotion))

 

[cthom]

rev 338. 4 minutes initializing, then ctd

i've cleaned cache and done play now, i wasn't able to play rev 337 either.

 

[lurtze1]

Rev 338, same issue as above. Initialise and ctd after a couple of minutes. Tried cleaning cache, steam vs non steam install, play now vs custom. All same issue

 

[Nor'easter]

well, i fixed the issue anyway. (but i agree that both hamstalfar and frozen need something done about them)

I remember Valkrionn had plans to redo the Hamstalfar as the Gyldalfar. Not sure what you're thinking, but I actually found one of his posts where he discusses the plan i some detail:

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/new-elven-civ-idea.429965/#post-10658704

Not sure what I would suggest for the Frozen, I just didn't much enjoy having them in the game, but that's only my opinion, of course.

 

[black_imperator]

out of curiosity, what's your install path for BTS and the mod?
do you get the same result if you deactivate all modules ?

great ! I'll have to finish that grigory game... and start a new one ..

questions about balance (applies to previous versions of the game):
- what is the interest of Knights over War chariots ? (W-Chariots seems stronger, and come earlier...) (Maybe Knight could get something special, instead of being "just 4 more toned-down W-Chariots-like).

the chariot line is one of the things that puzzle me for the unit rework. I don't really see how to handle it properly.

- It seems I get all my adventurers into scouts, give them all the bloods I can.. and upgrade them for HA or War chariots for 17+ str units (12/9 + spider blood + elephant blood + poisoned blade +iron weapons) . I'm not sure if the "blood's" should transfer to non-recon units or if it'll be better if we could make a promotions for accepting "blood promotion"s, available to all units. At the moment, this possibility makes for boring micromanagement

not sure about that, i'll think about it.

- Heroic arcane are not as fun as other games : heroic-only arcane promotion is not so useful and twincast option is available to all... and not so interesting as you had to sacrifice 6 promotions... thus 6 spells.. and thus probably at least one full mastery for next archmage ! (no idea what to propose)

Well, post magic rework, heroic would give a magical power boost, and maybe access to some unique spells ?

- Great Generals focused on Siege have a hard time getting xp as siege almost don't get xp: at most they get 1 after withdrawing. Maybe Siege bombard could give xp proportional to defense destroyed ? or ranged attacks increased xp, or their city attacks get +1xp ? (thus the Artillery mastery promotion is nigh-impossible to get : battlemaster 3 + artillery 2... needs at least to reach lvl 7 and most likely level 8 !! (to get the increased xp promotion))

i'll add xp for siege bombard. ranged attacks already give xp. ( unrelated but interestingly, the xp gained by workers building stuff also passes to commanders)

I remember Valkrionn had plans to redo the Hamstalfar as the Gyldalfar. Not sure what you're thinking, but I actually found one of his posts where he discusses the plan i some detail:

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/new-elven-civ-idea.429965/#post-10658704

Not sure what I would suggest for the Frozen, I just didn't much enjoy having them in the game, but that's only my opinion, of course.

yeah the intention was to use that as a basis for the hamsters.

 

[cthom]

ok, i've worked out what the loading problem is. i can't play on any map except worldoferebus, or the game just dies on initializing .

 

[black_imperator]

Ah, i noticed it was map related, but i haven't been able to track it this far. I'm reimplementing the last three revs to see if i find something that could cause it.