Finally sick of this: Minimal-state Jesus

[Ajidica]

Somewhat relevent, and from Civ4:

When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist.

 

[GhostWriter16]

You can ask why and come to many, many different conclusions

The reality is this, if you want true egalitarianism, almost all Americans are rich and should have their wealth redistributed to other nations. Why do most liberals never take this step?

That some people will be better off than others is a reality of life. That this requires theft in the eyes of some shows a lack of morality.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Right, but what you're missing is that He said "you" in the second person plural. He provided direction to the whole of His flock with the understanding that we would work together to achieve His ends.

Government is simply the most expansive form, to date, of social interaction. Consequently, it is useful for the Christian to utilize as a means to execute the goals Christ set forth for us. Utilization of governmental resources enables better care given to others.

Which involves theft.

I'm done with this thread. I have never seen any more laughably stupid arguments for "Jesus is a leftie" in my life. The reality is, none of you guys are demonstrating worship for Christ in this thread, but worship of the state.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Which involves theft.

You can't keep saying that and magically be right someday. The world has more nuance to it, and you're denying it of its beauty.

 

[Tee Kay]

That some people will be better off than others is a reality of life. That this requires theft in the eyes of some shows a lack of morality.

That you see government as theft shows a lack of a functional brain.

 

[JollyRoger]

Which involves theft.

I'm done with this thread. I have never seen any more laughably stupid arguments for "Jesus is a leftie" in my life. The reality is, none of you guys are demonstrating worship for Christ in this thread, but worship of the state.

Not as laughably stupid as tax = theft. You have yet to successfully point out a non-consensual tax.

 

[Angst]

Which involves theft.

I'm done with this thread. I have never seen any more laughably stupid arguments for "Jesus is a leftie" in my life. The reality is, none of you guys are demonstrating worship for Christ in this thread, but worship of the state.

Again, what about my argument? Not that "Jesus is a leftie", but that his teachings are not consistent with libertarianism nor its supporters?

 

[Berzerker]

jesus is a paradox - a would-be king executed for attacking the authoritarianism of his day

his teachings are consistent with libertarianism, he leaves it up to us to decide what to do, not the state.

 

[Old Hippy]

That said, I find it silly when liberal pundits say that since Jesus hung out with sinners, said to pay taxes, and healed sick people that he supported high taxes UHC and welfare or whatever absurd concoctions that liberals will come up with. Jesus didn't say "Government do this" he said "You do this.".

and Behold... "government of the people, for the people, by the people", its all gods plan...

 

[Berzerker]

give us Barabbas

 

[Angst]

jesus is a paradox - a would-be king executed for attacking the authoritarianism of his day

his teachings are consistent with libertarianism, he leaves it up to us to decide what to do, not the state.

But you know the point of a laissez-faire system (which libertarianism is, indeed) is to preach for a utilitarian working system. The economical system seeks to maximize profit and your wealth is obligated to drive the system around. This whole helping the poor thing - it's not a part of the moral obligations of laissez-faire.

Otherwise, why would laissez-faire supporters not mock the impoverished by being lazy welfare queens reliant on handouts?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

A utilitarian working system is not the point of a laissez-faire system or libertarianism. It is merely a common argument in its favor. The more hard core libertarians are much less likely to argue from utilitarianism and more likely to assert that violations of the non-aggression principle are fundamentally immoral.

 

[Berzerker]

But you know the point of a laissez-faire system (which libertarianism is, indeed) is to preach for a utilitarian working system. The economical system seeks to maximize profit and your wealth is obligated to drive the system around. This whole helping the poor thing - it's not a part of the moral obligations of laissez-faire.

Otherwise, why would laissez-faire supporters not mock the impoverished by being lazy welfare queens reliant on handouts?

dont have to be a libertarian to mock liberals

 

[Angst]

A utilitarian working system is not the point of a laissez-faire system or libertarianism. It is merely a common argument in its favor. The more hard core libertarians are much less likely to argue from utilitarianism and more likely to assert that violations of the non-aggression principle are fundamentally immoral.

But without a utilitarian working principle, the system wouldn't work.

dont have to be a libertarian to mock liberals

whatya mean

 

[Nick Carpathia]

A utilitarian working system is not the point of a laissez-faire system or libertarianism. It is merely a common argument in its favor. The more hard core libertarians are much less likely to argue from utilitarianism and more likely to assert that violations of the non-aggression principle are fundamentally immoral.

Thanks for conceding that libertarians like dommy are worthless bandwagoning ideologues and have nothing of practical value to say.

 

[Berzerker]

whatya mean

not many rich folk or libertarians around here, some people just got it in their head they deserve the $$$ they work for more than liberals

hey Nick, where's the beef?

 

[JollyRoger]

not many rich folk or libertarians around here, some people just got it in their head they deserve the $$$ they work for more than liberals

You bargain for what you get paid knowing the tax system is already in place. If you think you deserve more, post-tax, bargain for it ya lazy bum.

 

[Berzerker]

middle class working folk having to bargain with liberals for their own $$$

i can see why people would mock liberals

 

[Agent327]

dont have to be a libertarian to mock liberals

Truism. Even US liberals mock liberals. It's the fashion of the day. If you don't mock liberals, you're totally out of it. Gotta join the crowd.

 

[JollyRoger]

middle class working folk having to bargain with liberals for their own $$$

i can see why people would mock liberals

Not everyone has a liberal boss, but if you want to pay less taxes, I'm sure you can talk your boss into a pay cut.