Finland is in Scandinavia. Discuss.

[Tycho Brahe]

Finland Rules!
Alvar Aalto
Linus Torvalds
Marimekko
Nokia

Stickly speaking, I think "scandinavian" is only Sweden, Norway & Denmark.
"Nordic Countries" is the broader term, including Iceland, Finland & Faroe Islands.

Its not a big deal. I wouldn't mind if Finland was included in a scandinavian civ. It makes sense.

But dont we have a viking-civ already? Do we need a Scandinacian civ on top of that?

 

[Tycho Brahe]

A little more gasoline to add to the fire:

.....

And guess what country is shown when viewing the Rail Map of Scandinavia?

Spoiler :

Finland

But NOT Denmark?

 

[Tycho Brahe]

As I recall from my fine American education, Fin-land is named because it is such a "Fine Land". The "Scan" in "Scandinavia" comes from the same root where we get the English word "skank", and "Scandinavia" literally means "Land of the Skankies".

So, obviously Finland cannot be part of Scandinavia.

I hope that helps.

Naughty!

 

[Wodan]

As I recall from my fine American education, Fin-land is named because it is such a "Fine Land". The "Scan" in "Scandinavia" comes from the same root where we get the English word "skank", and "Scandinavia" literally means "Land of the Skankies".

So, obviously Finland cannot be part of Scandinavia.

I hope that helps.

The above logic is brought to you by the same fine people who brought you this:

Spoiler :

MAN IN BLACK
All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead.
VIZZINI
But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?
He studies the Man In Black now.
VIZZINI
Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK
(And now there's a trace of nervousness beginning)
You've made your decision then?
VIZZINI
Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
MAN IN BLACK
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
VIZZINI
Wait till I get going! Where was I?
MAN IN BLACK
Australia.
VIZZINI
Yes -- Australia, and you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK
(very nervous)
You're just stalling now.
VIZZINI
(cackling)
You'd like to think that, wouldn't you?
(stares at the Man in Black)
You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong. So, you could have put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard which means you must have studied. And in studying, you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

 

[Plotinus]

the finnish language isn't indo-european. that alone makes finland not being part of scandinavia

By that logic, Finland isn't in Europe either.

I don't see what difference language makes. It's a matter of geography. If you define "Scandinavia" as just the western part of the peninsula, the part to the west of the Gulf of Bothnia, then it's not in Scandinavia. If, however, you define "Scandinavia" as the entire peninsula, roughly everything beyond lakes Ladoga and Onega, then it is in Scandinavia. I think it's more usual to use the latter definition, at least that's the definition I'd use, so I'd say it is in Scandinavia.

 

[Ceritoglu]

By that logic, Finland isn't in Europe either.

But Iran and much of India is!

 

[Swedishguy]

Finland Rules!
Alvar Aalto
Linus Torvalds
Marimekko
Nokia

When people talk about the greatness of Finland they usually associate that with finnish poets. But you talk about Hockey and football and whatnot. Graah!

 

[Rossiya]

Yeah, I say Finland is in Scandinavia for a few reasons:

1. Owned by Sweden before, which is in Scandinavia
2. Could geographically be in Scandinavia
3. Swedish is an official language; Sweden is in Scandinavia

 

[OTAKUjbski]

1. Owned by Sweden before, which is in Scandinavia

Well, 20% of what is now the United States used to be owned by France (see Louisiana Purchase), so is Oklahoma French.

3. Swedish is an official language; Sweden is in Scandinavia

English is the official language of the United States. England is in Europe. Therefore the United States is European?

 

[Storminator]

English is the official language of the United States. England is in Europe. Therefore the United States is European?

The United States has no official language.

Does that mean we don't exist?

PS

 

[Onagan]

If, however, you define "Scandinavia" as the entire peninsula

You then only got Sweden and Norway

 

[Onagan]

The United States has no official language.

Does that mean we don't exist?

LOL, Sweden hasn't a official language either.

 

[dragomaster]

if finnish people are going to feel better about beeing scandinavians then let them call themself that. this feeling is however fals, finnish people isn't scandinavians they are balts/russians not scandinavians/vikings.

It is however some scandinavians living there. but they settled there during swedens occupition. it is scandinavians living in many parts of the world but scandinavia is scandinavia and finland is not inclouded

 

[Atticus]

Finns most certainly are not russians! And that isn't russofobia, it's just a pure fact. I wouldn't call Finns balts neither because of very different history. Furthermore, Swedish speaking Finns aren't any more Scandinavian than the rest of Finns. They aren't Swedes living in Finland, but Finns who speak Swedish.

I don't care if Finland is part of Scandinavia, it's just a matter of definition. Of course "Scandinavia" would be more useful if it had other extension than "Nordic countries", but on the other hand "Scandinavia" (and for example Scandinavian etc) is easier to use, and I suppose most non-Nordic Countrians don't even know what the Nordic Countries are.

In the context of Civilization it's a bit hard to think Finland as a part of Scandinavia since there were no Finnish vikings.

Edit: That "pesapällo"-misspell by the Mad Swede really dropped me, it's just so funny to try to pronounce it that way.

 

[Mrdie]

Aren't the Finns related to Estonians?

 

[Julian Delphiki]

At least our languages are closely related. I don't really know how much our people are related to each other.

 

[The Mad Swede]

Edit: That "pesapällo"-misspell by the Mad Swede really dropped me, it's just so funny to try to pronounce it that way.

Heh, I knew it wasn't correct. Is it pesäpello? You know what I mean, right? The sport that looks like baseball but not really and they have totally outrageous uniforms. Saw it on TV once. In Finland.

 

[Swedishguy]

Swedish is an official language of Finland. But in Sweden the official languages are stupid and weird, sort. Swedish, Tornedalsfinska, Samiska and some other weird language I can't remember. Seriously, who the hell speaks tornedalsfinska?!

 

[Rossiya]

Well, 20% of what is now the United States used to be owned by France (see Louisiana Purchase), so is Oklahoma French.



English is the official language of the United States. England is in Europe. Therefore the United States is European?

Please, don't be so argumentative. Everybody knows parts of America were owned by France, so don't patronise me. I was merely putting forward arguments, saying why I think Finland is in Scandinavia.

Sorry.

 

[OTAKUjbski]

Please, don't be so argumentative. Everybody knows parts of America were owned by France, so don't patronise me. I was merely putting forward arguments, saying why I think Finland is in Scandinavia.

Sorry.

My bad ...

... I didn't mean to patronize or offend ...

... I was wrong anyway, because the US doesn't have an official language.