football thread No11

[Quackers]

Well David of Merseyside is favourite to get the job at 1/2. Followed by Mou 3/1 and then Klopp 16/1.

 

[Quackers]

'Proud man. Great manager. Staunch Labour Party supporter. Sir Alex Ferguson will never be forgotten

Thanks Ed, SAF isn't dead yet. PM material?

 

[Takhisis]

Mourinho emailing Man Utd a power point with his vision for the future of the club in 3...2...1

Say what?

I hope Moyes does get the Utd job; he seems a cool guy, and he deserves a shot at a big club for the way he's brought Everton on. I guess the main question there is whether the bosses are prepared to risk giving it to a guy who's been working under virtually no pressure for so long now. I don't think there have ever been a bigger pair of shoes for a manager to step into, and whoever gets the nod won't get much leeway from fans or the media - he's going to get hammered for the kinds of mistakes that Fergie could simply brush off, and for which Moyes barely even gets challenged on at Everton.

There are also going to be questions about transfer policy, whoever the new man is. The Glazers knew they had a guaranteed winner in Fergie, and so they backed him fairly generously and seemed to give him more-or-less a free rein with regards to signings and contracts. With a new man coming in, I imagine they'll be tempted to hedge their bets a lot more. They know the club's value isn't going to fall if they miss out on the title for a year or three, and until they've seen how the new man fares, they might well feel that a more cautious approach serves their interests better. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new 'director of football' position being established to oversee transfers and contracts with a view to the long term benefit of the club and, more importantly, its owners. (Of course, Fergie himself would be perfect for the role, if not for the fact that his being there would make it utterly impossible for the new manager.)

I knew someone would eventually come back to the forums. How's life?

Anyway, I don't think Everton could easily replace Moyes and that'd make me sad for 'em. Also, Fergie must have picked his successor himself, or at least he'll have had a good say in the decision.

Also, ManYoo can stand not winning titles, there's no one to catch up with them, certainly not Liverpool or Arsenal, maybe Chelski or City by sheer spending power, but they are rather unstable by the very same reason. They only one one FA Cup (against Millwall) between 2003 and 2007 so they can do it again, methinks.

He's just saying that cos he wants to be Man Utd's new Interim Manager.

Can't be, if Fergie keeps a seat on the board then he won't accept transfers from Liverpool… oh wait, he took Owen after his Madridista spell. Might be, might be.

All I know is Harry Redknapp hasn't ruled himself out yet.

Has 'king 'Arry ever ruled himself out of anything?

I suppose he'd rule himself out of ever ruling imself out of anything… or maybe not.

 

[Gucumatz]

Well I wouldn't put money on Klopp getting the job, not how he is [Since he still has his contract up]

I think David will get the job

 

[Takhisis]

Moyes leads, unfortunately.

 

[Quackers]

Moyes: Guarantees long-termness, I don't know why thats such a highly valued characteristic but there you go. Does not guarantee success, unproven in Europe.
Mourinho: Guarantees trophies and guarantees 3 seasons maximium.

I would like to see Heynkes take over..

 

[Takhisis]

It's Moyes, the Telegraph confirms it: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ex-Ferguson-as-Manchester-United-manager.html
Seems like England's clbus are determined to keep the title out of an English coach's hands.

Quacks, long-termness is highly valued in all clubs (except the sugar-daddy ones like Chelsea) because it tends to guarantee stability, which is even more important in clubs which generate such huge amounts of revenue while also spending a lot.

 

[Quackers]

Dude, you must be joking. If stability is the length of time a club is managed by one person then why is the manager turnover so high?

Clubs desire short-term success over "stability".

Plus, it isn't clear that stability is comprimised when managers change. Look at the continental club model, or how Swansea are making decisions. Swansea have a footballing "philosophy" and they screen their managers to share in that "philosophy" so they maintain the same type of style of play and players aren't having to change the way they play every six months for the new boss. It has been the same with managers at Barca for years.

I hope Moyes does well but his record doesn't promise much.

 

[Takhisis]

Results!
Chelski 2 - 2 Adebayor F.C.
Wigan 2 - 3 Swansea

Wigan screw up enormously, Totnam still depend on others for their own qualification. Sigurðsson gives 'em some hope though.

Dude, you must be joking. If stability is the length of time a club is managed by one person then why is the manager turnover so high?

Clubs desire short-term success over "stability".

They have their priorities wrong, and they're always promising stability anyway.

Plus, it isn't clear that stability is comprimised when managers change. Look at the continental club model, or how Swansea are making decisions. Swansea have a footballing "philosophy" and they screen their managers to share in that "philosophy" so they maintain the same type of style of play and players aren't having to change the way they play every six months for the new boss. It has been the same with managers at Barca for years.

I hope Moyes does well but his record doesn't promise much.

Exactly, Quackers, the Swansea footballing 'philosophy', as you call it, needs stability.

 

[Mise]

They had hope before, just slightly more hope now. If Spuds had lost, Arsenal could have gotten away with a draw and a win, even if the Spuds won both their final games. But now, the Arse have to match the Spuds' results.

 

[warpus]

Chelsea need 3 points out of the next 2 games to make it into the Champions league. We have a game against Aston Villa, which should do it, and then a game against Everton. That might be Moyes' last game w/ Everton, so it could be a tough one - I think the players might just be fired up a bit because they'd want their manager to have a good last game with the club.

As for who else qualifies, I don't really give a crap Although Spurs in the Champions league just seems wrong

 

[Mise]

I was hoping Benitez would say "eff the league I'm adding some cups to my CV", but sadly he seems committed to the EPL and the Europa (and previously the FA cup).

 

[Takhisis]

To think that Chelski could've won a treble like 2001 Liverpool's…

 

[Ironsided]

Here’s the thing. Moyes is brilliant. I would love to have the Moyesia at Arsenal. I like Aresene, I do. I even love him. I think he is brilliant but I don’t think he’s good enough to win. I think Moyes is. He is working class brilliance at its finest. I want Moyes at Arsenal. Truely.

 

[Takhisis]

Six-year contract, that's stability for you, Quackers.

Will Rooney be staying without Ferguson?

 

[azzaman333]

A couple of my friends have said if Rooney goes to Chelsea they'll change their allegiances to Tottenham. So naturally Im hoping Rooney goes to Chelsea and Tottenham misses top 4.

 

[Quackers]

Six-year contract, that's stability for you, Quackers.

Will Rooney be staying without Ferguson?

You still haven't proved to me that stability is valued considering the high turnover of managers and you also haven't proved that stability can't be had when you change managers often in the first place Chelsea have been enormously successfull with continiously changing managers.

Anyway, Moyes I'm uncertain if he will be successfull. First major challenge is Rooney. I say try and keep him; if it proves impossible sell make near £30m and buy Victor Anic...uhmm buy Zlatan.

 

[Mat93]

You still haven't proved to me that stability is valued considering the high turnover of managers and you also haven't proved that stability can't be had when you change managers often in the first place Chelsea have been enormously successfull with continiously changing managers.

Anyway, Moyes I'm uncertain if he will be successfull. First major challenge is Rooney. I say try and keep him; if it proves impossible sell make near £30m and buy Victor Anic...uhmm buy Zlatan.

Stability is better than changing managers every few years. Can't really prove it, although Sir Alex winning over half the premier league titles since its inception at one club does suggest that keeping the same man is successful... Chelsea changing managers every 18 months or so have won less than 1 man at 1 club for the past 8/9 years or so. 1 Cl each, 3 titles for Chelsea, 5 for Sir Alex since Chelsea's first of the Roman era, whos won more? The stable club, which almost certainly has a lower net spend (without doing the math, I would place a huge bet on Man Utd spending less than Chelsea, even ignoring the 80 million from selling Ronaldo). Hence more valuable (more trophies, for a lower cost, who will complain at that? Not to mention the cost of hiring and firing a manager every 12-18 months).

Moyes has done a brilliant job at Everton considering the circumstances, comparable to the situation at Dortmund IMO (very low net transfer spending over nearly a decade now, although lesser success due to higher competition in the EPL), although he has limited European experience, competing with and beating sides that are spending more than him regularly (Liverpool mainly, although it would be interesting to see a net transfer spend of all clubs over the past 5 years) isn't exactly bad. His signings are decent (fergie too had his flops, Veron for 1), and normally gets the best he can out of his players. Deserving of a chance definitely, but I wouldn't bet on him winning the league (or anything) in his first year. Qualifying for the champions league every year is highly likely, trophies there is a question mark over. Certainly will be an interesting league next year, with a likely weaker Utd, probably stronger City, and Mourinho leading Chelsea back to the headlines (probably, not official yet), unless one of them has a shocker, I can see a 3-way battle going until the last day.

On Rooney, he is better than the alternatives for the way he plays, but if he will keep on requesting to move, is he worth it? Difficult to answer, I would say its better to try and keep him, but if the price is right (minimum 30 million), sell. Can win the league without him (with a replacement, probably worse, player), but won't help the Cl hopes.

 

[Takhisis]

Higher competition in the EPL? I'd say higher polarisation, I don't think Everton would've been German champions or even close.

 

[BirraImperial]

I heard Bayern might pay the £30 mill for Rooney, If Pep approves...but I think it's just a rumor.