Xanikk999
History junkie
Id say it only offends me when people are basing thier logical decisions and life choices on religion and when they push it on others.
For agnostic/athiests a poll: Does religion ever offend you?
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GoodEnoughForMe
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It offends me or makes me angry when it is used as the justification for debates/law. Gay marriage is a particulrly common example in which people I know often cite that it's "sinful."
I don't give a sh*t, and neither should they. It's a flawed argument.
As a whole, I am not to fond of religion. I just see that it's brought more harm than good these days. Not that I would support banning it or anything...
But I can get along with anybody and have no problem hanging out with religious people. There are sucky people, and good people in both grups.
I don't give a sh*t, and neither should they. It's a flawed argument.
As a whole, I am not to fond of religion. I just see that it's brought more harm than good these days. Not that I would support banning it or anything...
But I can get along with anybody and have no problem hanging out with religious people. There are sucky people, and good people in both grups.
thetrooper
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What offends me is all these damned threads about religion. Why can't you use one, or at least a few?
Otherwise I don't care how people spend their lives.
Otherwise I don't care how people spend their lives.
HannibalBarka
We are Free
Religion? never; well at least not the one I don't consider to be sects (is that the right english word) like Raelian for example.
Religious people? yep, fundamuntalists of all religions when they indoctrine others or are intolerant
Religious people? yep, fundamuntalists of all religions when they indoctrine others or are intolerant
Masquerouge
Deity
I guess that religious people who offend me would offend me all the same if they were atheists.
I find there intolerance and preaching to be incredibly offensive. Or to put it in more blatant terms "The only good fundie is a dead fundie."
I'm a little softer on those who don't preach at you 24/7 and are tolerant. For example my momhas a good friend who is Jewish. She while being very religous isn't intolerant and never tries to push it on others so I view her as being a good person if maybe a little misguided.
I'm a little softer on those who don't preach at you 24/7 and are tolerant. For example my momhas a good friend who is Jewish. She while being very religous isn't intolerant and never tries to push it on others so I view her as being a good person if maybe a little misguided.
Masquerouge
Deity
nihilistic
Intergalatic Delivery Boy
If it's only going to their theories and ideas, then no. Being comical and being stupid doesn't equate with being offensive. However, there are exceptions:
1. Saying you "believe" rather than "reason" is fine, as long as you'll also excuse my "chuckle". But sometimes people do try to contrive intellectually disingenuous arguments:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4710641#post4710641
2. Then there is the more serious case where the dogma poses a sufficient threat of harm to me and others. In this example, the functional differences between that my opponent's ideology and that of Al Queda are quite negligible:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4640577#post4640577
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warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Religion is a concept and thus it is impossible for it to offend me.
However, religious people can offend me, and do from time to time.
However, religious people can offend me, and do from time to time.
Neonanocyborgasm
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It only offends me when it is used to do things that could affect me. If laws are passed according to a religious appeal, or violence committed because of a religion, then I take notice. Otherwise, I don't mind when religious people practice their religion. I know that I will never deconvert anyone because religious belief is irrational, and based more on emotional appeal.
Religious beliefs that act on people who are not of that religion in a way that is undesirable to the person woh is not of that religion. The most prominant example would be laws enforcing moral standards, such as sodomy laws or blue laws. This is differing from indoctring others, instruction in the fundamentals of a religious belief to a person, such as telling someon who is homosexual that homosexual sex is sinful or something to that extent. This is incredibly wrong - we live in a secular society, freedom of expression, seperation of church and state, etc.
Pretty much all the issues given are what offend me. By far the most offensive toward me would be using religion as a sole basis for a decision which has a rational and secular alternative. Science, sexual issues, and civil rights are the major issues I care about in order of offense toward a sole religious belief. The hinderance of these issues due to religion is extremely offensive, as rationality is the most important part of humanity. Science got us today without ignorant fearmongering. Mind you, this isn't a problem with religion in general - religion is a sufficient, but not necessary, condition for irrational fearmongering. But the issues are issues which affect other people. Religious beliefs which effect the religious community in particular only, such as a system of morality, are fine. Heck, even Sharia law would be fine to me if in theory it does not effect nonmuslims, but that's not how it works.
Teaching religion to the unwilling is offensive as well. Every human has the fundamental human right to believe what they believe regardless of how old they are or how mature they are, and a belief system which allows enforcement of beliefs toward those who do not want it is awful. Keeping an open mind is fine - but if, for example, a child does not wish to learn a religion, a parent should respesct that, regardless of their beliefs that the child must follow their religion. Oh, and there's the whole forced conversion thing, but that's a given.
Using it as a rule in the family only bothers me if there is at least one person who is not of that religion. I shouldn't be forced to say grace in a dinner just because it makes my parents happy. Yes, there are practical reasons why you should shut up and sit down in this and the previous issue, but that doesn't mean that it is morally right to do so; it's an appeal to force.
Intolerance is obviously offensive as well for reasons that don't need to be given, but I'm generally okay if they dislike a community but accept their existence, (e.g. basically the previous issues, pushing their morality on others, etc.) and are not bigoted. ...then again, that is sort of the definition of "tolerance."
However, I do respect religious belief systems as a whole in general, respect how it effects society and tradition, in a similar way to greek mythology and the like. This is especially prominent in nations such as Ireland, Greece, Russia, Spain, and the like, though I don't think that it works as much for the United States. The US is a nation based on religious plurality since its birth, and the best way respect that is through a completely secular system. The idea of nondenominational prayer and the like in the US is based on Christianity and does not fully take care for all religions as it should.
MamboJoel
Cool.
I'm agnostic. I find Intolerance inacceptable, religion or not.
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
As an agnostic, I don't find religion offensive at all.
An an atheist, I don't find religion offensive.
Although I ticked a few, I'm not sure "offend" is the right word here. I think that some of those things are wrong, but I am not *offended* by it (unless perhaps I am the one affected by it). "It's offensive to me" is that sort of emotive phrasing that people use when they want to ban things that don't cause harm. These things should be judged on evidence of harm, not that some people choose to take offence.
Although I ticked a few, I'm not sure "offend" is the right word here. I think that some of those things are wrong, but I am not *offended* by it (unless perhaps I am the one affected by it). "It's offensive to me" is that sort of emotive phrasing that people use when they want to ban things that don't cause harm. These things should be judged on evidence of harm, not that some people choose to take offence.
JonnyB
Workaholic
When people are so vehemently determined that they are right and how could anyone possibly believe anything different from them.
I blame this on human nature though, it's not limited to religion.
I blame this on human nature though, it's not limited to religion.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
As a mostly agnostic, I find religion-based laws, or religion-based opinions being forced on me is offensive.
I am not a Christian (well, technically, I'm partly Christian, but I prefer defining myself as theologically agnostic, philosophically Jesusian), and I have no wish living by the (so-called) Christian (actually Ancient Jewish) morale rules)
I am not a Christian (well, technically, I'm partly Christian, but I prefer defining myself as theologically agnostic, philosophically Jesusian), and I have no wish living by the (so-called) Christian (actually Ancient Jewish) morale rules)
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