How about we wait for the turn to roll and then move Thunderfall to get a view of their capitol before sending any more messages? @Sommers- I never said that RB founding a city to get the stone would be a pink-dot city. If they found on our side of the oasis and gets the wines then yes, that would be a pink-dot. That is why I like my proposed city location next to the river on the isthmus. It gives us the wines while avoiding the corn that is in their sphere of influence. If we found here we effectively prevent them from being able to do any pink-dots against us and we have a stable border at the natural boundary halfway point.