You can see a similar blue and white symbol on the flag of the UN-looking building in the boxart. So the inference is it's a World Congress timer.
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Josephias
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Have we guessed already what that symbol may represent. While it is mostly clear it is the World Congress symbol (it appears as well in the diplo screens, by the way), ¿do we know what it represents?
Boris Gudenuf
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I liked the post for the rest of its content, but I must object most strongly to this comment.North African elephants were tropical animals; of course they died in the Alps! What Hannibal really needed was mammoth cavalry.
(Regardless of his defeat at Cannae, Hannibal was both a brilliant general and a brilliant politician, and I strongly resent the mythical Dido's usurping his place not once but twice now.
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I stand by my statement, except that Hannibal didn't need any kind of elephants, Rome had already proved in their war with Pyrheus of Epirus (he of the 'Pyrrhic Victory') that they could handle elephants. What he needed and didn't bring was a good siege train - he was invading an area filled with walled cities without any way to crack them open, so in the end, his tactical brilliance on the battlefield got him nowhere.
Yes, but Carthage should be all about trade, exploration, and naval supremacy. The same is true for Phoenicia, but Carthage has big personality leaders who don't have to be drawn from a Roman epic poem.At the very least they could have gone with Hiram I of Tyre: he's not exactly a big personality, but at least he's historically attested...
(With Phoenicia in the game, though, I now really, really want a Cedar of Lebanon luxury resource--or even generalize it to Exotic Wood and make it look like Cedar of Lebanon...)
Possibly the Phoenicians, but certainly Carthage, also had a talent for trading with Barbarian/strangers. IF they were doing Carthage, an ability to get more out of Tribal Villages and Hire Mercenaries from City States or even Barbarians would be appropriate.
The Cedars of Lebanon apparently were Old Growth in an area that barely had Any Growth forests, so that would be a resource giving a whopping Production Bonus as well as being a potential 'luxury' good.
The Phoenicians were also the quintessential 'Middle Men' of the Mediterranean. I would love to see them have the ability to Trade Luxury or Strategic Resources they get from City States or Civ's on to other Civs, taking a percentage along the way...
I have to play that game with units basically every time I'm using a great general.
TheMarshmallowBear
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I'd actually love if units would highlight generals that buff them.
Not to mention their almost complete monopoly on the manufacture of Tyrian Purple.
blackcatatonic
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Been saying this since last year... Tyrian Purple as a unique luxury for Phoenicia, you know it makes sense!
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Been done already (Holland Civ V): keep 2 ammenities per each traded luxury resource if all copies are traded.
Could be boosted quite a bit, but they have demonstrated not being shy of reusing/relocating Unique habilites /*cough/ Norwiegan Polynesia or French English extra spy
God of Kings
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It is so unique that natural Tyrian purple cannot be manufactured in large quantities today (the exact manufacturing process was lost in history and there aren't enough sea snails to manufacture them in large quantities even with modern technology), only synthetic ones.
That's interesting. And similar to Greek fire - the exact manufacturing process was a guarded state secret of the Byzantine Empire and with its fall, the knowledge of the manufacturing process vanished too.
Boris Gudenuf
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Very good point - amazing how fast I forget things in Old Games I don't play anymore.
Definitely should be boosted a bit, and could be tied into Resource Depletion: for instance, Every time Phoenicians trade a Resource, another copy is produced, so that theoretically single 'Tyrian Purple' Resource (which, since it was a shellfish, might be easily represented by having Crabs be a Luxury Resource instead of a Bonus Resource, but only for Phoenicia) could allow them to trade it to 7+ different Civ's, BUT each additional 'trade copy' of the Resource increases the % chance of Depletion. This would leave it up to the Punic Player whether he wants to wipe out resources in exchange for short-term Gold/Diplomatic advantage...
While it would be historically appropriate, it would be kind of boring; a free luxury is basically just a +1 Amenity. Hopefully there would be a special mechanic associated with it (like the Civ V version of Indonesia).
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I can't even express how pumped I am that Phoenicia is coming. Absolutely fascinating civilization, and one of my favorite things about Civilization: Call to Power was that you could play as them, and I pretty much always did.I'm bothered that it's Phoenicia in the first place.
blackcatatonic
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Yes, I'd take it as read that it would be more than just literally giving you a free luxury...
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I would rather the Phoenicians get some sort of ability related to colonization than a straight trade ability. And if Dido is the leader, I think a colonization ability is more likely as she is the legendary founder of Phoenicia's greatest colony, Carthage.
I still hope that colonization is the theme of the unique unit: a (expensive) galley replacement that can be consumed to found a coastal city. And that the ability focuses on trade. Dido's UA can be that civilian units cannot be captured, but escape to the adjacent tile instead
Boris Gudenuf
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The only problem I have with that is that in the same general time frame, 7th to 5th centuries BCE, Greek Colonization dwarfed Phoenician Colonization almost from one end of the Mediterranean to the other, and the Black Sea coast as well. Certainly Carthage and some other Phoenician colonies were or became very important, but Greek colonial foundations included modern Marseilles, Syracuse in Sicily, Tarantum in southern Italy, most of the current towns/cities in the Crimea (Sevastopol, Evpatoria, Simferopol, etc).
I'd much rather there be some early (late Ancient, early Classical Era?) Policy Card that gave a serious Boost to Colonization, so that any Civ user the right conditions could try it, rather than making it exclusive to one Civ.
If just the ancestral hall would come a tad earlier...
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Maori is practically confirmed:
See the 1:05:43 mark of the Hungary livestream video on YouTube
See the 1:05:43 mark of the Hungary livestream video on YouTube
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Yup. But doesn't Poland have any native mountain ranges to borrow names for the game?
