Gaza Beach Shelling

[Leha]

SHOCK AND AWE
It wasn't IDF shell in the end. Most probably stray Qasam. It is not for a first time that PA authorities-terrorists kill it's own citisens, blame bloody zionists and start bombing their cities and killind their children.
Isn't it a great way to demand peacefull solution!!

 

[Leha]

I have to agree with Sidhe here its a really bad example, to compare the current state of affairs in Israel and its issues to 70 years ago in ww2 is silly.
You arent facing a aggressor who has just taken over 6 or 7 countrys and is bent on european domination, if not world domination.
Oh and I dont agree with bombing of citys just to kill people back then either, however due to what they where up against its more justifyed.
But dont try to use ww2 examples in relation to events in the world today as imo they are not relevant.(They are in some ways but not the example you used).

Wait a minute. I'm still waiting for your answer. What would be proper answer for UK back then?

Oh, those examples are not relevant anymore? When evil occupants-zionists are killed no example is relevant, do I understand you correctly?

 

[Leha]

We'll have to agree to disagree I guess, to me it's poor to make an anology like that, to you it's relevant; I guess we differ on what we consider as close to the situation and what isn't. I can't say I'm going to chastise Israel for retaliation, that would be hypocritical, but let your military do it's homework is my humble suggestion.

When you make an example like that, I will say it's free of merit. Sorry if you disagree.

This is fine statement. I'm just trying to explain my point of view and bring this example to underline the fact that State of Israel is attacked from Gasa territory exactly same way as any other country could be attacked by agressor's aviation or missiles. Technical details of missiles are not important. Those who claim it is "two sides fault" are wrong because Israel already made moves towards peace, one of them: painful and costly removal of settlers from Gasa territory. Also Israel is accepting idea of two-state coexistance.

One more remark. It is very important difference: Israel isn't retaliating bombing launch sites in uninhabited areas. Israel prevents (trying to) further bombardment of it's territory.

 

[Winner]

One more remark. It is very important difference: Israel isn't retaliating bombing launch sites in uninhabited areas. Israel prevents (trying to) further bombardment of it's territory.

What is the effective range of these missiles? It is possible to set up some sort of a "buffer zone" which would be wide enough to prevent them from using this weapon?

 

[civ2]

World's first and biggest mistake (concerning this region) was the very THOUGHT of a state for so called Palestinians.
It's absolutely absurd to think that if there wasn't Israel nearby - Palestinians would ever think of any state.
They have no distinctive history and they never had a "state of Palestine" - in contrast to Israel.
It was a very sly move to claim wanting a state - just to oppose Israel with this.
And I'm not joking.
And of course the world readily "agreed" to this since it's always a need of "equality" on the expense of Jews.

 

[Leha]

What is the effective range of these missiles? It is possible to set up some sort of a "buffer zone" which would be wide enough to prevent them from using this weapon?

Qasams effective range is something like 5-7 km. It is hard to estimate because it is homemade rocket. But recently they started to bomb us with soviet "Grad"s which are more destructive and have range up to 20 km.

Recently there was announcement in news that there is newest laser system in final test stage, which is able to intercept small missiles and even RPG granades. If it will succed it could help.

 

[civ2]

Good morning, Leha!
Is it 10.30 or 11.30 by you?

 

[Leha]

Good morning, Leha!
Is it 10.30 or 11.30 by you?

Good morning to you too
It's 10:30 here.

I see your english is pretty good. As I understand you also speak russian, hebrew, lithuanian?

 

[civ2]

Leha
And also Yidish.
Well, I do understand when others speak.

 

[Nobody]

Well, I do understand when others speak.

What about Maori?

 

[civ2]

What about Maori?

Yeah and Chinese and Indian and Afriacan and Martian and... wait... HUMAN!!!

 

[boarder]

Wait a minute. I'm still waiting for your answer. What would be proper answer for UK back then?

It was among my last post I said, "Oh and I dont agree with bombing of citys just to kill people back then either, however due to what they where up against its more justifyed."

Oh, those examples are not relevant anymore?

No I don't see the relevance of the position of Israel presently and the UK at war with Germany in 1940. They are two totally different things.

When evil occupants-zionists are killed no example is relevant, do I understand you correctly?

No im sure there are relevant examples you can use, but England 1940 and Israel presently isn't one of them.
Oh and btw I find it amusing that you are the only one who keeps referring to Israeli's as "evil occupants-zionists".

 

[Leha]

It was among my last post I said, "Oh and I dont agree with bombing of citys just to kill people back then either, however due to what they where up against its more justifyed.""

Why it was more justified?

No I don't see the relevance of the position of Israel presently and the UK at war with Germany in 1940. They are two totally different things.

Why, please explain.

No im sure there are relevant examples you can use, but England 1940 and Israel presently isn't one of them.
Oh and btw I find it amusing that you are the only one who keeps referring to Israeli's as "evil occupants-zionists".

Again, why?
Evil occupants-zionists was sarcasm

 

[Archbob]

I would. There's no honor in that, which means they don't get the "claim to fame" that comes from being a martyr or killing Israelis. They're a bunch of bloodthirsty maniacs, but there is SOME sort of logic to their actions.

Who says they have any honor.

I do believe this was an accident though.

 

[Leha]

I want to introduce new concept here for those who is still unaware of it.
It is called "Pallywood" and designed to stage "Israli atrocities" and this way to advocate killing of israeli citisens and desinform wold community (See reaction of posters like Boarder. Boarder, no offense, but you seemed most appropriate example)

I'm sure everyone remembers shocking report in 2000, when palestinian kid Mohammed Al-Durrah "was killed by IDF". Those shocking pictures were "good enough" reason to send hundreds of suicide bombers and kill innocent israelis.
Now let's check what really happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah

http://www.seconddraft.org/selections.php?theme=aldurah_raw

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/category/al-durah-affair/

In short, it was proved the whole mess was staged by palestinian operator and "bought" as truth by french media.

Here http://www.theaugeanstables.com/

we clearly see "Pallywood" is preparing stage for another "legend" of intifada - 12 year-old girl. Next thing we have - tens of missiles raining on israeli cities and people saying "Why, it is result of your atrocities".

Now, Ad-Durrah case is debunked, why don't we hear uproar? Because it doesn't matter. What matters is, people like to hear "bad" things about Israel. They are not interested when those things are proved lies. Why.....?

I don't know.

 

[boarder]

Why it was more justified?

Why, please explain.

Again, why?
Evil occupants-zionists was sarcasm

Sorry Leha I cant really be bothered explaining the difference between a world war that happened 70 odd years ago and killed 40 odd million people and a regional conflict between two fledging states (well one fledging and one not so fledging) in the present time, oh wait, maybe I just have.
You can not see this?

 

[boarder]

I want to introduce new concept here for those who is still unaware of it.
It is called "Pallywood" and designed to stage "Israli atrocities" and this way to advocate killing of israeli citisens and desinform wold community (See reaction of posters like Boarder. Boarder, no offense, but you seemed most appropriate example).

None taken.

I'm sure everyone remembers shocking report in 2000, when palestinian kid Mohammed Al-Durrah "was killed by IDF". Those shocking pictures were "good enough" reason to send hundreds of suicide bombers and kill innocent israelis.
Now let's check what really happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah

http://www.seconddraft.org/selections.php?theme=aldurah_raw

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/category/al-durah-affair/

In short, it was proved the whole mess was staged by palestinian operator and "bought" as truth by french media.

Here http://www.theaugeanstables.com/

we clearly see "Pallywood" is preparing stage for another "legend" of intifada - 12 year-old girl. Next thing we have - tens of missiles raining on israeli cities and people saying "Why, it is result of your atrocities".

Now, Ad-Durrah case is debunked, why don't we hear uproar? Because it doesn't matter. What matters is, people like to hear "bad" things about Israel. They are not interested when those things are proved lies. Why.....?

I don't know.

Yes both sides are guilty of mistakes,lies,murder, you are saying Israel never bends the truth or just blatantly lies, please dont make laugh.
I wonder why they have to bother with making stuff up when the reality of it is just as shocking.

 

[Leha]

Sorry Leha I cant really be bothered explaining the difference between a world war that happened 70 odd years ago and killed 40 odd million people and a regional conflict between two fledging states (well one fledging and one not so fledging) in the present time, oh wait, maybe I just have.
You can not see this?

So difference is in "when this happened" and "numbers killed"?

Sorry, but I think this is funny and sad simultaneously. First, countries like UK, should be grateful this isn't happening to them today.
And second, just look at fight over Folkland islands. British cities WEREN'T EVEN BOMBED.

 

[Leha]

I wonder why they have to bother with making stuff up when the reality of it is just as shocking.

You forgot to add "fake" reality.

Yes both sides are guilty of mistakes,lies,murder, you are saying Israel never bends the truth or just blatantly lies, please dont make laugh.

Israel never blows up its people and then says it was palestinians and kill some hundred in retaliation.
Actually it's a pity we behave decently and don't indulge in dirty games of palestinian media. Propaganda is powerful weapon.

 

[boarder]

One more remark. It is very important difference: Israel isn't retaliating bombing launch sites in uninhabited areas. Israel prevents (trying to) further bombardment of it's territory.

You do realise that Israel relies on America for billions of dollars every year, and without this, well the state of Israel probably wouldnt exist, if they just started shelling wildly into citys then it would/could lose all this money, even with the powerful jewish lobby in America. You dont think this may have anything to do with the fact Israel cant just go as rogue as they want.

There have been examples before of America threating to withhold grants etc to Israel if Israel didnt abide by there wishes.