[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[El_Machinae]

Yes, it's a useful observation to point out that it that could lead to a conflict of interest, similar to how some unions have incentive to foment conflict with management.

I don't think it's accurate to say that the corruption has happened yet. Even though it certainly could in the future.

The last riots were the overwhelming response due to disgust with the status quo. The corporate board trying to get ahead of the mob when it comes to social change will behave in ways that are indistinguishable from the corporate board that feels like it's paying protection money.

By conflating donations with shake down, you're running the risk of disempowering the movement. Any entity that is donating because they want to help is at risk of having their effort spun as fearful bribery. We are already cynical enough to assume they are chasing woke dollars. But the protests that BLM is encouraging is of much larger scale than the property damage

I wonder how much this mirrors my point, that Trump arranged for pay raises for the military before he started asking them to do illegal things

 

[Crezth]

I am looking forward to the soup kitchen-cum-private militia recruiting centers that will no doubt be a hall mark of mid-21st century America.

 

[Estebonrober]

Police breaking up peaceful violin vigils in honor of their murder victims.

No wonder the people hate them.

"The violins and luteing has gotten out of hand"

comment wins the internet today

 

[Seon]

Colorado police reform bill seems rather promising.

1. Qualified immunity gone, and cops are personally held liable to damages they cause.
2. Cops convicted of police brutality are permanently banned from serving in the state.
3. Cops have a duty to intervene against police brutality, or are considered accessory to the crime.
4. Not wearing and turning off body cameras is considered a criminal offense.

This is nowhere near enough to the ultimate goal of defunding the police force, but is still about as much of an incremental step as we can expect the democrats to take.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Worth remembering that that's not everyone's ultimate goal though.

 

[Estebonrober]

Worth remembering that that's not everyone's ultimate goal though.

Yea yea we know there is a significant minority who wish to continue the status quo of shooting and imprisoning and vastly disproportionate amount of young black males to feel better about themselves. You all have made your points quite clear.

 

[Lexicus]

2. Cops convicted of police brutality are permanently banned from serving in the state.

This one does worry me; unless we get a national standard the bad cops are just going to end up concentrated in red states...

 

[Sommerswerd]

This one does worry me; unless we get a national standard the bad cops are just going to end up concentrated in red states...

That also... already has happened.

 

[Crezth]

We're chasing them back into their hoods. And I'm not talking about neighborhoods.

 

[Seon]

far too cynical by far I think

 

[Traitorfish]

I get that impression for a number of reasons. First, massive corporate donations poured into BLM after the riots. If a company gives BLM $50m and their stores are destroyed the company wont be happy and BLM will be cut off. Why pay protection money to the mob if the mob destroys your business anyway?

Now bribing BLM may not prevent arson or looting because somewhere in the crowd we'll find violent zealots and criminals exploiting the situation but everybody will know that company is now a 'benefactor' of BLM and BLM might get mad at people who destroy their benefactor's property. And all those other businesses will see that bribing BLM doesn't protect them.

If 'I' was BLM and a business dumped a treasure at my feet and I found out someone destroyed their property endangering future treasure I'd let them know I was mad. I suppose analysis of the chronology of the riots and their aftermath might show if bribing BLM had the desired effect.

Would you agree there is overlap between BLM supporters and people who riot? People can do both. I'm sure Michael Brown's father supports BLM and he wanted to burn it all down. Now of course he was distraught and angry but I'll bet if we ask BLM's supporters if they're okay with looting and arson when its their cause they're mostly gonna be okay with it. So BLM has plenty of supporters involved with the destruction of property and some control over them.

I didn't ask if you could describe a scenario in which companies make donations to Black Live Matters in an attempt to discourage rioters or looters from damaging their property. I've read your interpretations of the Book of Genesis, I am thoroughly convinced of your powers of imagination. I am you to describe the empirical basis for this belief. It doesn't matter how thoroughly you have convinced yourself of the existence of this protection racket if you aren't prepared to make an effort to convince others.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The way I see it, there are some eery parallels between the MeTwo and the BLM movements.

IRC #MeTwo got started off as a protest about film producers and directors raping actresses,
and then morphed into a general campaign against all sorts of things supposedly that men did.

IIRC BLM got started as a complaint against US police unecessarily killing too many black americans,
and then now seems to be morphing into it being about all about whites being racist in general.

 

[Crezth]

IIRC BLM got started as a complaint against US police unecessarily killing too many black americans,
and then now seems to be morphing into it being about all about whites being racist in general.

My advice to white people, if they don't want to be seen as violent & unreasonable, which may turn people against them, they should not point guns at peaceful protesters & innocent people in their neighborhoods, which is very aggressive behavior, not very civilized... I guess that's to be expected, but it is sad that white people haven't learned their lesson, hopefully they don't cause any trouble...

 

[EnglishEdward]

The BLM crossover into the UK is about all sorts of things such as statues and black people not getting enough
top jobs. that has nothing to do with white people pointing guns, that they generally don't have, at anybody.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Well, folks falling over to defend the police ain't helping diffuse this image, I'm afraid.

 

[Bugfatty300]

IRC #MeTwo got started off as a protest about film producers and directors raping actresses,
and then morphed into a general campaign against all sorts of things supposedly that men did.

IIRC BLM got started as a complaint against US police unecessarily killing too many black americans,
and then now seems to be morphing into it being about all about whites being racist in general.

Because rape and sexual assault isn't just a Hollywood thing?

Because Black Americans have to deal with all kinds of racism apart from being targeted by police?

 

[El_Machinae]

IRC #MeTwo got started off as a protest about film producers and directors raping actresses,
and then morphed into a general campaign against all sorts of things supposedly that men did.

#MeToo created the space so that a friend of mine could confront the person who assaulted her, so I am mostly grateful for the movement.

What I'm noticing is how big tent the BLM movement is. Canadian First Nations suffer? They're in the tent. The mentally ill suffer disproportionately? They're in the tent. Cops are worried that they're put into dangerous situations unnecessarily? They're in the tent.

We've checked the few bad apples narrative, so people that are currently underserved by the current system are natural allies in its rearrangement

 

[Crezth]

The BLM crossover into the UK is about all sorts of things such as statues and black people not getting enough
top jobs. that has nothing to do with white people pointing guns, that they generally don't have, at anybody.

Oh come now, British history has quite a commemorated tradition in pointing guns at people. Maybe your anti-racist Britons should agree to leave the statues up if the museums are emptied.

But that's none of my business. Suffice it to say that neither British statues nor museums have anything to do with American police murdering civilians.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Well if British people had some guns then maybe they'd be able to keep their statues dry and their top jobs white.

 

[red_elk]

My advice to white people, if they don't want to be seen as violent & unreasonable, which may turn people against them, they should not point guns at peaceful protesters & innocent people in their neighborhoods

Only white people will be seen as violent and unreasonable?