[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[red_elk]

We can take Trump and send Gorbachov for replacement.
Can send some good cops as well.

 

[Lexicus]

I mean if that were to happen should Putin get the "greatest geopolitical strategist of all time" award? lol @ this timeline.

Too bad they can't send him in a "sealed train"...

The American police don't seem to be following that script.

I'm not sure this is entirely accurate. They are following the script in the sense that their behavior now is a logical progression of their task over the past four or five decades, which has been violently clamping down on anything that might impede the transformation of American cities into giant glass piggy-banks for the global hyper-rich.

 

[H4run]

The conventional leftist take on policing is that it is intended to protect private property and the authority of the police, that they are the hired goons of the business class and government officials.

...They appear less as the hired thugs of a feudal lord extracting resent in the form of taxes and cheap labour, than they do a viking horde extract tribute from the lord in the form of funding.

The Republican leadership appear to support these abuses because they prefer to be seen as barbarians than as weaklings, but on some level they must be terrified at the realisation their dogs have slipped the leash. I have a very deep suspicion that the threats to send in the army are not to "restore order", but to take control away from the police.

The conclusion seems a bit leaping, the government not only supporting but celebrating the police brutality, and that's not out of character for the current American government. Sending in the army is also natural way to increase the pressure to the protester, the police perhaps need manpower reinforcement, that assumption is in line with Bob Kroll's rant about politician conspiring against him from recruiting sufficient man-power/recruits to cracked the current protest.

Similar scenario happened during the coup in Turkey in 2016. The government used the police to temporary neutralized the army by ordering all the military to pulled out and let the police do their job, this event follow with mass sterilization of the Turkish army from the Gulen's influence.

So unless Trump pulled the police and substitutes them with the American army and follow with mass arrest, unless that happened, such scenario is a bit too good to be true.

 

[caketastydelish]

Upgraded to second-degree murder and the other three officers are being charged as well now, not just fired.

Better than nothing, but too little, too late. I highly doubt this will be sufficient to quell people's anger and frustration in the streets. Maybe if that's how they handled it, to begin with, but not as it is. It is blatantly obvious that the only reason they are doing anything now is because of pressure and for no other reason.

 

[H4run]

Upgraded to second-degree murder and the other three officers are being charged as well now, not just fired.

Better than nothing, but too little, too late. I highly doubt this will be sufficient to quell people's anger and frustration in the streets. Maybe if that's how they handled it, to begin with, but not as it is. It is blatantly obvious that the only reason they are doing anything now is because of pressure and for no other reason.

For me that's a good sign, in the blinking contest they are about to blink, the protest affect them and they are currently start to listened.

 

[Hrothbern]

Upgraded to second-degree murder and the other three officers are being charged as well now, not just fired.

Better than nothing, but too little, too late. I highly doubt this will be sufficient to quell people's anger and frustration in the streets. Maybe if that's how they handled it, to begin with, but not as it is. It is blatantly obvious that the only reason they are doing anything now is because of pressure and for no other reason.

so... we needed 9 days to get this far
Many days to go !
I hope the protesters keep their spirit, focus and energy

We had a row of support protests here in NL as well.
So far Amsterdam, Groningen, The Hague, Rotterdam

 

[H4run]

so... we needed 9 days to get this far
Many days to go !
I hope the protesters keep their spirit, focus and energy

To create that small crack is the longest and the hardest effort, it is a sign that the wall is about to fall down. The demonstrator need to keep up the pressure and keep pushing until they break it.

 

[r16]

naturally with their amazing knowledge of all things in the world , New Turkey has now deduced the fall of Trump is an anti-New Turkey conspiracy . Same people want to send both countries to hell ... The Disgrace of July 15th is not a worthy case study either . As Obama made it extremely clear to Congregation that they were NOT to be successful in any metric . And quite a few people should be quite ready to be hurt or something , there will be no Revolution or anything in the US .

 

[Takhisis]

I think Che Guevara's approach to revolution is the way to go if you can't get the military and police on your side. His strategy calls for the formation of a small core of actual guerilla fighters who do the "heavy lifting" of directly engaging with government forces while fomenting popular demonstrations/rioting to just serve as a distraction to keep the government from focusing all of its attention and forces on that small core of guerilla fighters.

Tactics, maybe. Objectives, no. Ernesto Guevara was a little monster who hated everybody who didn't agree with him (including those who didn't agree with him on hating everybody who didn't agree with him) and went about finding enemies whenever he ran out of the latest batch.

So I'm thinking- for this to accomplish anything lasting, I think it'll need to be supported by a general strike of the essential workers.

But it will have to be a sit-down strike - basically occupying the real estate.

Yeap, Gandhi all the way. If you repeat the French Revolution you'll just have all the nobles1% move offshore and continue handling their business empires from abroad and funding/spurring attacks on the newly liberated France/Haiti.

If you just have, say, 20% of the country saying ‘we won't work’ and you start stopping the supply of the important consumables such as wheat, petroleum, or meat you'll get somewhere.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If you just have, say, 20% of the country saying ‘we won't work’ and you start stopping the supply of the important consumables such as wheat, petroleum, or meat you'll get somewhere.

"Somewhere" = mountains of dead?

 

[Takhisis]

Gandhi still got fewer dead than the French Revolution.

 

[caketastydelish]

@Commodore how much of the military, and the national guard I guess, in particular, is racist? There are more black people in the guard per capita than the percentage of black Americans in the country as a whole so I would imagine it isn't too racist and a lot of them would side with the protestors when push comes to shove. Some of them, anyway. How realistic would this be? Even a significant percentage of the guard differing would be potentially huge.

 

[rah]

Upgraded to second-degree murder and the other three officers are being charged as well now, not just fired.

Better than nothing, but too little, too late. I highly doubt this will be sufficient to quell people's anger and frustration in the streets. Maybe if that's how they handled it, to begin with, but not as it is. It is blatantly obvious that the only reason they are doing anything now is because of pressure and for no other reason.

The previous charge was a slam dunk. Now I fear they'll get off, unless they can prove there was previous animosity from working at the same place.

 

[caketastydelish]

The previous charge wouldn't have happened at all without outrage and pressure. The same could be said for the upgrade.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Gandhi still got fewer dead than the French Revolution.

Gandhi was working with a population that was not all that far removed from agrarian.

 

[red_elk]

Gandhi still got fewer dead than the French Revolution.

French revolution was just a bigger mountain of dead.

 

[rah]

The previous charge wouldn't have happened at all without outrage and pressure. The same could be said for the upgrade.

I won't dispute that, but still believe upgrading drastically increases the odds that they'll get off. And I don't want to see that.

 

[caketastydelish]

From my point of view, even better. If they get off, there will be even more outrage than now. I want a huge change, not justice in one individual case.

 

[red_elk]

Athens, Greece

In Russia, somebody threw Pepsi can to the US embassy. Was detained for hooliganism.

 

[H4run]

Gandhi was working with a population that was not all that far removed from agrarian.

Gandhi also use violent as medium of protest.

He used the violent that is inflicted against the protester to created pressure to the colonial power.

Looting is bad, I know that from 1998 reformation in Jakarta, it is generally not the fault of the protester but it's mostly the opponent who work to undermined the protest the one who triggered it.