Global warming debate continued

[Lord Civius]

and if a tipping point was a threat, we'd just have to spend massive amounts of money correcting the threat (and hope that 'passing the buck' doesn't ruin everything)

That is the point, who do you think will pay the bill? Taxpayers! Climate Changes, thats what it has always done. As a matter of fact we are in the calmest stage in recorded history. The global temperature has remained constant since 1998 while Co2 emmissions have risen 4%. They're right the debate should be over and man-made global warming is a theory at best and more likely a myth. BTW If I see one more company go green I'm going to throw up.

 

[Berzerker]

Total annual US water use is 1/2 billion acre-feet. Most of this water is pumped over short distances and small elevations. To lower the world's sea levels by one inch would require removing 7.4 billion acre-feet.

To desalinate that much water would require insane amounts of energy.

Wow, yer a man with numbers We wouldn't be de-salinating all of it or to the same level of purity, most would be pumped into inland basins or deserts or onto ice sheets (if need be). Regulating sea levels is in our future, its inevitable. Once we create this inland lake or sea a new climate is born and with it a new ecosystem.

 

[Berzerker]

Since deep level aquifers actually filter groundwater, I wonder if we could find a deep (but empty) aquifer in the desert, and then pump masses of seawater onto the sand above it?

Yup, there's an idea. How about all those pockets we pumped oil out of? Did ya see that sinkhole in Texas?
Maybe that wouldn't prevent sinkholes, just make it quicksand or something.

I mean, heck, how much could it hurt? We could get a huge salt lake in the middle of the desert, and then maybe a water source below it.

And even salt lakes attract life...

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Source: climatecrisis.org:

1. The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.
2. Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet about sea level.
3. The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.
4. At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.

 

[Sidhe]

Actually I'd dispute number 1. By category that's not exactly true. However by duration and power it is easy to show that: hurricanes contain more overall energy and have increased in the last 30 years. Category is misleading because it does not in any way indicate the overall output of the hurricane. This is hardly amazing although you'd think it was, if it gets warmer hurricanes become more intense and prolonged, even if wind speed isn't above the required limit; no . .. .. .. .ing . .. .. .. . Sherlock! You'd think it was a given but sadly most people really have no clue about real science, being fed as they are by a propaganda machine. The real question outside of the numpty patrol is not whether hurricanes are increasing in overall power. But how much of this is due to AGW.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

I got it from the website! Don't swear at me for quoting!!

 

[Berzerker]

A big lake or inland sea in the Sahara might reduce hurricane activity in the Atlantic. And a warmer world means that cool dry air hurricanes require at higher latitudes are not as cool or dry. Every documentary I've seen on the mini ice age claimed hurricanes were stronger when the N Atlantic slid back into more ice age like conditions for a few centuries.

 

[Berzerker]

4. At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.

Thats good news Now we gotta start thawing some of that trapped methane, thats a real good greenhouse gas.

 

[El_Machinae]

If the sea-water pumping is a good idea, we should be doing it anyway.

Does anyone know that most of the scientists from the IPCC report have sued to take their names off the list.

Here's a reality check for you, something to judge how biased you are in the whole debate and during the whole self-educational process (which we are all trying to do, obviously). This statement of yours is so false, it's actually scary. There's no way a reasonable person would believe this, and so whoever told you this lie fooled you so well with other data that you just bought it.

You've been fooled very fully. So fully that you're not even questioning things that are obviously false.

BTW: don't think that I'm a liberal or anything. I'm mostly a free-market libertarian. I'm also decently (professionally) educated in both economics and ecology.

 

[Sidhe]

I got it from the website! Don't swear at me for quoting!!

No . .. .. .. .ing . .. .. .. . Sherlock was rhetorical. Not aimed at anyone, except the idiot numpties who believe everything they read in the tabloids. I presume you are not one of those.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

thanks??????????