Global Warming is Stuck in the Ice

[Berzerker]

Not quite 800m tall.

There's a ~4000 ft difference in altitude from west to east, your dam will have to be taller

 

[classical_hero]

One of the great ironies is that had they stayed on the ship they would be in NZ right now rather than Antarctica. So it seems that the "rescue" was a waste of time and money.

 

[Silurian]

Not quite 800m tall.

There's a ~4000 ft difference in altitude from west to east, your dam will have to be taller

Here is the full quote.

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Not quite 800m tall.

As I noted above there would have to be some north south dams. The number of north south dams would depend relative cost of length verses height.

Spoiler :

Yes you would have to have some dams running north south to stop the water running down hill. These dams would also be used for road access to fishing villages.

The tallest earth fill dam in the world is 300m high and was started in 1961 in the former USSR. If the USA is not capable of building dams 400 or 500m high I would be surprised.

From Wiki

Mount Sunflower is the highest natural point in the state of Kansas. At 4,039 feet (1,231 m), it is 3,300 feet (1,010 m) above the state's topographic low point in southeastern Kansas.

The state of Kansas gradually increases in elevation from the east to the west. As such, "Mount" Sunflower, while the highest point in the state in terms of elevation, is indistinguishable from the surrounding terrain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sunflower

There is a nice pic of the "peak" on the link.

The difference in elevation is 1010 m.

Kansas is 645 km East to West

For an approximation assume that the eastern border is the low point and the western border is the low point and Kansas is a plain.

With 400m high dams, to maintain an average depth of 297m the dam would be 65.8 km from the 297m deep point or 132km apart. So five dams running north south 400m high would be required and the dam next to Colorado would only be about 190m high.


The actual height of the dams would de depended on the local topology, geology and the availability of suitable rock and clay to minimize haulage. So they would most likely vary in height and would not run exactly north south.

 

[Berzerker]

The difference in elevation is 1010 m.

which is more than a 1/2 mile

 

[Silurian]

So the USA~1 could build a dam system in kansas that could hold the USA share of the possible sea level rise.

 

[Berzerker]

hardly, but I dont know how you figured it would take 4-5 dams - it would take 1 dam surrounding most of the state

 

[Silurian]

If one dam was used it would need to be about 775m high and flood 495km of Kansas east to west.

Whilst I think the US could build 400m high dams, 100m higher than the current max embankment dam, doubling it is a bit different.

A 775m high dam will require nearly four times more material than a 400m high dam. It will cost more than four times as much to construct and take longer. It would have the advantage that the eastern side of the state could be spared flooding.

 

[Azale]

I think Gore was one of the biggest causes of AGW skepticism, mainly because he's a politically divisive figure who is easy to attack on personal grounds (e.g. flying around in private jets). Global warming really shouldn't be a political issue, but its politicization seems to have increased dramatically just after the release of An Inconvenient Truth. There were some errors in the film as well, but I think the political effect happened largely because of who the messenger was, not the message itself. Ad hominem attacks may not disprove the actual point, but that's not politically important.

Beggars can't be choosers. We needed a messenger who could project, because god knows plenty of people ignore/mistrust scientists. At least you are forced to hear Al Gore, he riles up the haterz. These haterz then proceed to crap all over themselves when arguing against global climate change, as this thread is an example of. If that was indeed the strategy, it was brilliant and probably what converted me to believing in GCC.

 

[CavLancer]

Take it or leave it, as I'm sure you will. Likely by attempting to discredit the author, not the science, and associate them with oil company money but! I try to share what I see happening as do you all. That doesn't mean I'm as emotionally involved or obligated to argue with anyone on the morality of the author or publisher. Sling all the mud you want but just know, there were those that came before you that make your methods seem insignificant. Enjoy

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/08/new-paper-predicts-solar-activity-will.html

 

[Silurian]

There was more ice due to a random event.
They did not get sail out to sea because of their mismanagement of the rich people who were out on the ice who did not get back to the ship in time when the wind changed.

From the BBC

The Shokalskiy began to run into trouble towards the end of that day as it attempted to leave the area. Its location was close to the edge of a huge glacial system called the Mertz Glacier where it flows into the sea. Four years ago, the end of this glacier was smashed into many pieces by a gigantic passing iceberg named B09B.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25833307

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I too want to post something and then go: I'm not going to argue this, but I am right.

Enjoy


Link to video.

 

[Dale]

I too want to post something and then go: I'm not going to argue this, but I am right.

Enjoy.

BBC's 6 year cover-up about 2006 Climate Change training for executives and editors, completely run by 28 alarmists.

Cannot trust a single thing from the BBC re: climate change.

 

[Silurian]

I too want to post something and then go: I'm not going to argue this, but I am right.

Enjoy.

BBC's 6 year cover-up about 2006 Climate Change training for executives and editors, completely run by 28 alarmists.

Cannot trust a single thing from the BBC re: climate change.

Some very dangerous people giving that training

From Wiki

Robert McCredie May, Baron May of Oxford, OM, AC, FRS (born 8 January 1936) is an Australian scientist who has been Chief Scientific Adviser to the UK Government, President of the Royal Society,[1] and a Professor at Sydney and Princeton. He now holds joint professorships at Oxford and Imperial College London.

May is a Fellow of Merton College, Oxford, a crossbencher in the House of Lords, and an appointed member of the council of the British Science Association. He is also a member of the Advisory Council for the Campaign for Science and Engineering.[2] His is also a FAA, FTSE, FRSN, HonFAIB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_May,_Baron_May_of_Oxford

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Hey. We aren't supposed to discuss things in here.

Spoiler :

This is the War room

 

[Silurian]

Hey. We aren't supposed to discuss things in here.

Spoiler :

This is the War room

Well


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

 

[Ayatollah So]

This thread in a nutshell:

 

[CavLancer]

The planet got warm, and now its getting cold again. If you don't believe that, that's okay by me. Humanity of course just freaks right out about these things, and lots of other stuff...and while I do have stuff to say I don't want to get caught up in all the drama.

There is no middle ground anymore, there is only extremists on every side, and no end to the sides on every last little thing. I miss the days of reason...but don't want to get dramatic about their passing or take a side.

 

[Wastl]

The planet got warm, and now its getting cold again. If you don't believe that, that's okay by me. Humanity of course just freaks right out about these things, and lots of other stuff...and while I do have stuff to say I don't want to get caught up in all the drama.

There is no middle ground anymore, there is only extremists on every side, and no end to the sides on every last little thing. I miss the days of reason...but don't want to get dramatic about their passing or take a side.

Well, in certain parts it is definately getting harder and harder to find common ground and people get more and more agitated over it, but you also can't just ignore that there are matters that don't have a middle ground. If someone suggest the geocentric model is true while another person says it is a heliocentric one, then it doesn't make sense to look for a middle ground, because a middle ground would make even less sense than either of those two options.

There are matters that are rather black and white, trying to appease someone who is wrong, just for the sake of finding middle ground and preventing drama, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[timtofly]

Would the middle ground just be that when it gets cold out, one puts on warmer clothing, and when it warms up, one layers back some?

 

[Yeekim]

This thread in a nutshell:

Damn, I came here to post this!