Yes, its a map mod.
You don't want to know the horrors of the original EU3 map.
Gloire à la France: An EU3 Magna Mundi AAR
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Yes, its a map mod.
You don't want to know the horrors of the original EU3 map.
NickTheNick
Warlord
You are a lucky weasel, Nick.
In my own MMU experience, the only way for France to get these provinces from England is to longwait them. Apparently Burgundian DOW and problems at home made the English relent this time.
Anyway, great choice of mod. I would wish you luck, but as France what you really need is self-restraint.
Actually, I think you'll be quite interested to see the further results of the Burgundian DOW on England. I'll post soon.
NickTheNick
Warlord
Prologue
The War of Cambray (1457 - 1458)
The cities of France come to life with activity after the war, as depicted in this picture of the marketplace of Lyons
An Unsteady Peace
In the period that followed the Treaty of Paris, France was able to restore its administrative and economic strength which it had been drained of in the Hundred Years War. Primarily, with the end of the embargoes between the opposing alliances, and the cessation of the threat of warships and soldiers disrupting routes, trade began to slowly trickle back into the role it had played earlier. Soon enough, merchants and goods were again flowing freely between the various provinces of France, along with the wealthy regions of Northern Italy and Burgundian Holland. With the ports of Gascony and Calais under their control, the French traders were able to access a larger market products to bring into France. To help with this circulation of trade, King Charles VII issued a reform of the navy, both focusing on the warships to escort the merchants, and the vessels of the traders themselves. Money previously obtained from the English in the Treaty of Paris was now being poured into strengthening France's maritime presence. This was also a measure to help advance the French navy to come to par with that of the English, which at the time was far superior. Brittany and Lorraine, two neighbours of France who had joined it's alliance during the war, now recognized Charles VII authority over their kingdoms to gain access to the growing French market. However, the two new vassals would also prove to strain France's control and authority over its holdings.
French merchants dominate the markets in Paris.
Although the peace was resulting in an economic boom for the entire kingdom, the war had also had its negative repercussions. The vassals of France, after contributing great amounts of men and ducats to the determining of the outcome of the war, were now all bankrupt. One by one, the lords, barons, and duchesses of France's vast vassal network made requests to King Charles VII for loans and monetary support. The administration of the kingdom ground to a halt as the king and his advisors were overwhelmed with numerous financial dilemmas to decide upon. It was evident to King Charles that a solution had to be sought to deal with the problems of France's expanding sphere of vassals. It was suggested that a new tax be introduced on the aristocrats and the clergy, which would raise plentiful amounts of ducats, but after some deliberation, it was concluded that it would met with widespread opposition from the two factions it was planned to be imposed on. Instead, another resolution was achieved. On April 7th, 1456, the États du Royaume was established. It would serve as an administrative body, comprised of representatives from each of France's vassals, that would manage the state affairs of the multitude of vassals it represented. However, the body would also serve as an extension of the king's power, and would report to the monarch and accept the monarch's superior authority. This decision proved to be greatly functional, for King Charles was able to again return to administering his own nation, whilst furthermore, the États du Royaume was able to quickly resolve the debts of France's subject nations.
The first and opening session of the États du Royaume, in which the debt of the vassals are addressed.
The War of Cambray (1457 - 1458)
The cities of France come to life with activity after the war, as depicted in this picture of the marketplace of Lyons
An Unsteady Peace
In the period that followed the Treaty of Paris, France was able to restore its administrative and economic strength which it had been drained of in the Hundred Years War. Primarily, with the end of the embargoes between the opposing alliances, and the cessation of the threat of warships and soldiers disrupting routes, trade began to slowly trickle back into the role it had played earlier. Soon enough, merchants and goods were again flowing freely between the various provinces of France, along with the wealthy regions of Northern Italy and Burgundian Holland. With the ports of Gascony and Calais under their control, the French traders were able to access a larger market products to bring into France. To help with this circulation of trade, King Charles VII issued a reform of the navy, both focusing on the warships to escort the merchants, and the vessels of the traders themselves. Money previously obtained from the English in the Treaty of Paris was now being poured into strengthening France's maritime presence. This was also a measure to help advance the French navy to come to par with that of the English, which at the time was far superior. Brittany and Lorraine, two neighbours of France who had joined it's alliance during the war, now recognized Charles VII authority over their kingdoms to gain access to the growing French market. However, the two new vassals would also prove to strain France's control and authority over its holdings.
French merchants dominate the markets in Paris.
Although the peace was resulting in an economic boom for the entire kingdom, the war had also had its negative repercussions. The vassals of France, after contributing great amounts of men and ducats to the determining of the outcome of the war, were now all bankrupt. One by one, the lords, barons, and duchesses of France's vast vassal network made requests to King Charles VII for loans and monetary support. The administration of the kingdom ground to a halt as the king and his advisors were overwhelmed with numerous financial dilemmas to decide upon. It was evident to King Charles that a solution had to be sought to deal with the problems of France's expanding sphere of vassals. It was suggested that a new tax be introduced on the aristocrats and the clergy, which would raise plentiful amounts of ducats, but after some deliberation, it was concluded that it would met with widespread opposition from the two factions it was planned to be imposed on. Instead, another resolution was achieved. On April 7th, 1456, the États du Royaume was established. It would serve as an administrative body, comprised of representatives from each of France's vassals, that would manage the state affairs of the multitude of vassals it represented. However, the body would also serve as an extension of the king's power, and would report to the monarch and accept the monarch's superior authority. This decision proved to be greatly functional, for King Charles was able to again return to administering his own nation, whilst furthermore, the États du Royaume was able to quickly resolve the debts of France's subject nations.
The first and opening session of the États du Royaume, in which the debt of the vassals are addressed.
NickTheNick
Warlord
The War Begins
Meanwhile, things were bleak in Burgundy, where the war against the English raged on. Without the support of the French armies, the Burgundians were unable to gain any ground from the English. The latter's domination of the Straits of Dover rendered Burgundy unable to land any troops on English soil, and in return, the English launched attack after attack on the Burgundian coast. They eventually gained a foothold in the bloody Battle of Middelburg, in which the English invaders were just able to defeat the Burgundians, but at a great cost. It was also at this battle that Duke Philippe III de Bourgogne was slain, struck by an arrow from an English longbowman. In his place came Duke Charles I de Bourgogne; a man who was known to "explode into violent fits of rage and anger" for sometimes trivial matters. The first display of this during his time on the throne came soon enough. First, however, the Duke made sure to send several requests to King Charles of France for assistance in the war against England. Despite the demands and ultimate threats he sent with his messages, each request was met with stout declination.
A mob of peasants pillaging a town, after arming themselves from a weapons cache in Antwerp
Unable to sway the king's unwillingness for another war, Duke Charles I proceeded in executing Burgundy's retaliation to the successful English landing at Middelburg. The Duke was determined to cut their supply of fresh troops by impeding their domination of the Straits of Dover. Within a period of several days, the entire Burgundian fleet was amassed at the port of Amsterdam, set sail to the Straits, and finally arrived at the sight of the English Royal Navy. A large battle ensued, in which both sides pitted their entire navies. By sunset, the Royal Navy emerged victorious, leaving behind numerous floating heaps of wreckage which used to be Burgundian ships. All of Duke Charles' ships were sunk or captured that day, and it left a resonating, terrible impact on the strength of the monarch's leadership. Stirred by the events of the war and the defeat at the Straits of Dover, a mob of angry peasants, incensed by the duke's inability to achieve victory against the English, rose up in Vlaanderen in defiance to the monarch's authority. Several villages and hamlets were pillaged as a result of their actions. Duke Charles I was infuriated, both by his military's defeats and the peasant uprising. In one of his signature fits of anger, he blamed all of the calamities that were befalling Burgundy on France, who had refused to relieve the Burgundians of their plight. In an act of rage, he cancelled the royal marriage arrangements between the French noble Jacques de Pellefort and the Burgundian princess Jeanne de Nevers. Then, he went further to arrest Jacques de Pellefort, who was staying at the duke's palace at the time, and lock him up in the castle dungeon. This was a sudden and unexpected blow to King Charles VII, who had not yet realized the extent of the Burgundian Duke's tenacity. The Burgundian nobles were also upset by the sudden turn of events, for the wedding had been planned for months in advance, and they now feared their own fates as well, under rule by such a mad duke. King Charles VII sent several formal requests, first asking, then demanding, that the French noble Jacques de Pellefort be released and returned to France. In response, and to the utter horror of the Burgundian aristocracy and clergy, the duke ordered the decapitation of Jacques de Pellefort. Once the execution was complete, his head was sent to the Louvre palace on a silver platter. This was the last straw, and now the French were forced into action. King Charles VII gave the orders, and thousands of knights and footmen mustered together to form the armies of France, for war was on the horizon. With his cause being that of the lasting French claim on the Burgundian holdings, of the cancelling of the royal marriage, and of the imprisonment and execution of Jacques de Pellefort, King Charles VII sent a declaration of war to the Duchy of Burgundy. Just four years after the end of the Hundred Years War, the French armies were again on the march to combat an old foe...
French knights on the march to the Franco-Burgundian border
Meanwhile, things were bleak in Burgundy, where the war against the English raged on. Without the support of the French armies, the Burgundians were unable to gain any ground from the English. The latter's domination of the Straits of Dover rendered Burgundy unable to land any troops on English soil, and in return, the English launched attack after attack on the Burgundian coast. They eventually gained a foothold in the bloody Battle of Middelburg, in which the English invaders were just able to defeat the Burgundians, but at a great cost. It was also at this battle that Duke Philippe III de Bourgogne was slain, struck by an arrow from an English longbowman. In his place came Duke Charles I de Bourgogne; a man who was known to "explode into violent fits of rage and anger" for sometimes trivial matters. The first display of this during his time on the throne came soon enough. First, however, the Duke made sure to send several requests to King Charles of France for assistance in the war against England. Despite the demands and ultimate threats he sent with his messages, each request was met with stout declination.
A mob of peasants pillaging a town, after arming themselves from a weapons cache in Antwerp
Unable to sway the king's unwillingness for another war, Duke Charles I proceeded in executing Burgundy's retaliation to the successful English landing at Middelburg. The Duke was determined to cut their supply of fresh troops by impeding their domination of the Straits of Dover. Within a period of several days, the entire Burgundian fleet was amassed at the port of Amsterdam, set sail to the Straits, and finally arrived at the sight of the English Royal Navy. A large battle ensued, in which both sides pitted their entire navies. By sunset, the Royal Navy emerged victorious, leaving behind numerous floating heaps of wreckage which used to be Burgundian ships. All of Duke Charles' ships were sunk or captured that day, and it left a resonating, terrible impact on the strength of the monarch's leadership. Stirred by the events of the war and the defeat at the Straits of Dover, a mob of angry peasants, incensed by the duke's inability to achieve victory against the English, rose up in Vlaanderen in defiance to the monarch's authority. Several villages and hamlets were pillaged as a result of their actions. Duke Charles I was infuriated, both by his military's defeats and the peasant uprising. In one of his signature fits of anger, he blamed all of the calamities that were befalling Burgundy on France, who had refused to relieve the Burgundians of their plight. In an act of rage, he cancelled the royal marriage arrangements between the French noble Jacques de Pellefort and the Burgundian princess Jeanne de Nevers. Then, he went further to arrest Jacques de Pellefort, who was staying at the duke's palace at the time, and lock him up in the castle dungeon. This was a sudden and unexpected blow to King Charles VII, who had not yet realized the extent of the Burgundian Duke's tenacity. The Burgundian nobles were also upset by the sudden turn of events, for the wedding had been planned for months in advance, and they now feared their own fates as well, under rule by such a mad duke. King Charles VII sent several formal requests, first asking, then demanding, that the French noble Jacques de Pellefort be released and returned to France. In response, and to the utter horror of the Burgundian aristocracy and clergy, the duke ordered the decapitation of Jacques de Pellefort. Once the execution was complete, his head was sent to the Louvre palace on a silver platter. This was the last straw, and now the French were forced into action. King Charles VII gave the orders, and thousands of knights and footmen mustered together to form the armies of France, for war was on the horizon. With his cause being that of the lasting French claim on the Burgundian holdings, of the cancelling of the royal marriage, and of the imprisonment and execution of Jacques de Pellefort, King Charles VII sent a declaration of war to the Duchy of Burgundy. Just four years after the end of the Hundred Years War, the French armies were again on the march to combat an old foe...
French knights on the march to the Franco-Burgundian border
The only one you might consider wanting to please is Provence - they are HRE and thus better diploannexed. The rest is just good to gather prestige by canceling vassalization and annexing militarily.
EDIT: Also, take Vlaanderen from Burgundy - apart from your cores it is the only province outside of HRE they have.
EDIT2: If you wish your navy to rival that of the English one day, I suggest building KoSJ priories wherever you can. Morale bonus from these adds up, and really makes a difference in the long term.
Province must have a town of at least 10,000 and basetax at least 8 (and core?) to build one, plus you need over 80(?) relations with The Knights. Also, there is a cooldown period (I believe 5 years) between building them.
NickTheNick
Warlord
That's a great idea, I've never thought about that. I always attempted to find a way to improve my navy without having to use a national idea for it. I will definitely take that into account.
Not the coastlines. But at least one version of Magna Mundi, pre-HttT, had a mapmod that made the coastlines look somewhat better and made the land borders look significantly better. I just can't for the life of me remember which version of MM it came with.
Mind, you'll still need at least two ideas to make your navy useful for something else than stay-in-port blockade deterrent.
But once you've got rid of the "Abhorrence/Lack of Interest" modifiers, priories can give you an edge, yes.
NickTheNick
Warlord
Yes those dreaded modifiers. However, I don't think I can afford enough national ideas to get rid of them.
Well, it is your game. But as France, you certainly won't be needing any army ideas besides those you start with, so I'd make naval ones a priority after sorting out initial AE issues with an idea or two (maybe Bureaucracy and CAD).
NickTheNick
Warlord
Ah yes I forgot to mention that part of the whole États du Royaume business was that i adopted the Bureaucracy NI.
NickTheNick
Warlord
Sorry for the long period of no activity. I've been in a sea of study for my exams, however I felt you guys deserve another update soon, so I will try to have my next post up by tomorrow evening.
Thanks for the support!
Thanks for the support!
Heathcliff
Tactician
Nice AAR.
I heard Ubik is making a new standalone Magna Mundi.
It looks like it's worth purchasing.
I heard Ubik is making a new standalone Magna Mundi.
It looks like it's worth purchasing.
NickTheNick
Warlord
Prologue
The War of Cambray (1457 - 1458)
One of the stewards of the Royal Court of France meets with the nobility of Foix to inform them of the declaration of war against Burgundy.
The Opening Battles
As armies marched at each other from both sides, the vassals of France held their breath. Barely months after sustaining massive debts in money and manpower, the King of France was again calling for their aid in a war against a formidable power. Bourbonnais, Orleans, and Provence were most offended by, what a nobleman of Orleans called, "this exploitative and heartless demand for further gold to fill their[France's] coffers, and for further deaths to cushion their cause." However, to the surprise of all the opposing parties of this debate, the États du Royaume passed temporary legislation, under urging from the king, in favour of the vassals for the conduction of the war. The legislation ensured that the dukes and lords subject to Charles VII would gain fiscal and military support from France during the war; at the cost, of course, of France itself. With this bill the opposition was silenced, and with it, 20,000 men joined ranks with the Armées of France. The war was now truly set to begin.
Several skirmishes took place in the early months of summer, most notably the French victories at Picardie and Cambray. The Burgundians at this period were still at war with England, and the bulk of their armies were engaged in conflicts in the northern regions. There was little resistance towards the French push forwards until, after a month, the Duke of Burgundy began to realize the seriousness of the invading armies to the south. By this point, the Burgundian provinces bordering France in the south had all been seized and occupied, and the French armies, along with their allies, were well under way to marching into the heart of the Burgundian Low Country. This was due to the fact that not a single Burgundian force, other than local garrisons, had remained to defend the regions of Nevers, Bourgogne, and Franche-Comte. It seemed like all was in the favour of the French.
However, there was a twist; as the war reached mid-summer, there was a drastic turning point in the tide of battle. Until then, the French had expanded into Burgundian territory mostly unopposed; but finally, the Duke had ordered his largest army, under his personal leadership, to detach from combat against England in the north, and to march south to drive off the French invaders. Their first target became Calais, France's northernmost port, only recently taken from the English, and separated from the rest of the country. They moved in and a siege began. Obviously, this alarmed the French generals, who were not expecting a counter-attack of any sort anytime soon from the Burgundians. Immediately, the decision was made to march straight at the Duke's army and engage them in a battle, and hopefully, lift the siege. J. de Xaintrailles and the Armée du Nord were the first to respond to this call, and within a week they arrived upon the army of the Duke. However, after a long, drawn out battle with the Burgundian forces, the French soldiers failed in lifting the siege. Not only that, they sustained considerable casualties and fled in a mass route. It was a terrible defeat to the French, people who had known only victory since the Campagne de la Gascogne. To resolve this, Jean Bureau, a war hero of the Hundred Years War, arrived with his army at the steps of the Burgundians. Again another battle was fought, and again, the French suffered another defeat. Suddenly, the glory the French had basked in as during their early victories in the war was replaced with the bleak reality of the bloody defeats at Calais.
(Yes I realize Sweden was attempting to ally with me, but I didn't want to get dragged into wars in Scandinavia)
Coming up next, the final outcome of the war...
The War of Cambray (1457 - 1458)
One of the stewards of the Royal Court of France meets with the nobility of Foix to inform them of the declaration of war against Burgundy.
The Opening Battles
As armies marched at each other from both sides, the vassals of France held their breath. Barely months after sustaining massive debts in money and manpower, the King of France was again calling for their aid in a war against a formidable power. Bourbonnais, Orleans, and Provence were most offended by, what a nobleman of Orleans called, "this exploitative and heartless demand for further gold to fill their[France's] coffers, and for further deaths to cushion their cause." However, to the surprise of all the opposing parties of this debate, the États du Royaume passed temporary legislation, under urging from the king, in favour of the vassals for the conduction of the war. The legislation ensured that the dukes and lords subject to Charles VII would gain fiscal and military support from France during the war; at the cost, of course, of France itself. With this bill the opposition was silenced, and with it, 20,000 men joined ranks with the Armées of France. The war was now truly set to begin.
Several skirmishes took place in the early months of summer, most notably the French victories at Picardie and Cambray. The Burgundians at this period were still at war with England, and the bulk of their armies were engaged in conflicts in the northern regions. There was little resistance towards the French push forwards until, after a month, the Duke of Burgundy began to realize the seriousness of the invading armies to the south. By this point, the Burgundian provinces bordering France in the south had all been seized and occupied, and the French armies, along with their allies, were well under way to marching into the heart of the Burgundian Low Country. This was due to the fact that not a single Burgundian force, other than local garrisons, had remained to defend the regions of Nevers, Bourgogne, and Franche-Comte. It seemed like all was in the favour of the French.
However, there was a twist; as the war reached mid-summer, there was a drastic turning point in the tide of battle. Until then, the French had expanded into Burgundian territory mostly unopposed; but finally, the Duke had ordered his largest army, under his personal leadership, to detach from combat against England in the north, and to march south to drive off the French invaders. Their first target became Calais, France's northernmost port, only recently taken from the English, and separated from the rest of the country. They moved in and a siege began. Obviously, this alarmed the French generals, who were not expecting a counter-attack of any sort anytime soon from the Burgundians. Immediately, the decision was made to march straight at the Duke's army and engage them in a battle, and hopefully, lift the siege. J. de Xaintrailles and the Armée du Nord were the first to respond to this call, and within a week they arrived upon the army of the Duke. However, after a long, drawn out battle with the Burgundian forces, the French soldiers failed in lifting the siege. Not only that, they sustained considerable casualties and fled in a mass route. It was a terrible defeat to the French, people who had known only victory since the Campagne de la Gascogne. To resolve this, Jean Bureau, a war hero of the Hundred Years War, arrived with his army at the steps of the Burgundians. Again another battle was fought, and again, the French suffered another defeat. Suddenly, the glory the French had basked in as during their early victories in the war was replaced with the bleak reality of the bloody defeats at Calais.
(Yes I realize Sweden was attempting to ally with me, but I didn't want to get dragged into wars in Scandinavia)
Coming up next, the final outcome of the war...
NickTheNick
Warlord
Yeah I've heard of it too, however, I haven't looked into it too much. I don't think I'm very likely to get it, since I've grown so attached to Europa Universalis III. Have they released any new videos of it recently?
1) Progress of the siege is still at 0%. Burgundian army is large, it must suffer considerable attrition - why were you in such a hurry to engage them? 
2) You know you could have timed your armies to arrive into battle on the same day, right? What exactly were you expecting, attacking a host twice your size, with four times as many cavalry?
3) What was your third army doing, picking daisies?
EDIT: It is your navy that is on reduced upkeep, right?
As for MMtG, there are two Let's Play videos out.
2) You know you could have timed your armies to arrive into battle on the same day, right? What exactly were you expecting, attacking a host twice your size, with four times as many cavalry?
3) What was your third army doing, picking daisies?
EDIT: It is your navy that is on reduced upkeep, right?
As for MMtG, there are two Let's Play videos out.
NickTheNick
Warlord
1) Progress of the siege is still at 0%. Burgundian army is large, it must suffer considerable attrition - why were you in such a hurry to engage them?
Actually I was just in a hurry to destroy their main army as quick as possible to snatch my piece of the pie from Burgundy before England did. It was actually amusing how few Burgundians were left to deal with the English.
2) You know you could have timed your armies to arrive into battle on the same day, right? What exactly were you expecting, attacking a host twice your size, with four times as many cavalry?
Yes, I know. The second army was supposed to arrive only a couple days after the first, but the battle that took place was one of the quickest battles I've ever seen. By the time Jean Bureau arrived, the first army was already long gone with their tails between their legs. Once I realized this, I just let the army keep marching anyways, because it's not fun when you always win, and it adds to the story.
Haha no, they were the ones who had taken the southern regions, (Nevers and the such), while my other two had gone directly for Burgundy.
Yes, even after my naval reforms, my navy is still pathetic, so I barely use them. I plan on changing that soon.
Pardon my ignorance, but what does MMtG stand for? Magna Mundi the Game?
Good job!
and good luck with your studies...
and good luck with your studies...Similar threads
