Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
And Tsamnir said nothing, but thought 'stahp'.
GodNES - The Beast with a Thousand Backs
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Milarqui
Deity
I really liked that story. The fact that you are actually divining that Primanus enjoys giving life is sign of being smart. Unlike Artharax.
And, well, Primanus' equal and opposite would probably be Death, which Primanus knows is, by necessity, a part of Life.
And, well, Primanus' equal and opposite would probably be Death, which Primanus knows is, by necessity, a part of Life.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Artharax isn't meant to be smart. He's meant to be the personification of Order in its worst extreme - sterility, dullness, the eradication of difference and diversity, and the singleminded drive to maintain sterile stability at all cost.
He's kind of a cosmic bad guy.
I should probably write a story at some point, but I'm not really sure where to go from here. Artharax, as he exists currently, isn't given to intrigue so much as brute force currently and he has nobody to talk to.
Hmm. I'll get to it.
Milarqui
Deity
Your comments about Artharax remind me of the White Guardian from Doctor Who (particularly the one in the fanfic The Ten Doctors).
Jehoshua
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ooc: Balance can be understood as stasis, equality between opposing and opposite forces, and as harmony. In all of these respects Malek Bal is diametrically anathema in his functions, which I suppose does make him the "anti-balance" god.
However I would say that Borog's assertion that balance can create its own opposite is flawed, balance cannot create "anti-balance" just as darkness cannot create light, because something cannot beget something diametrically opposite to its own nature. Ergo, Malek Bal is entirely auto-created, and indeed I would say pre-exists his eventual exit from the void (as per my occasional obtuse statement referring to him dreaming, or feeding off of the voids essence)
However I would say that Borog's assertion that balance can create its own opposite is flawed, balance cannot create "anti-balance" just as darkness cannot create light, because something cannot beget something diametrically opposite to its own nature. Ergo, Malek Bal is entirely auto-created, and indeed I would say pre-exists his eventual exit from the void (as per my occasional obtuse statement referring to him dreaming, or feeding off of the voids essence)
@Jehoshua: You might be interested to know that I was thinking specifically of Malek Bal as I wrote Borog's postulations in the matter. But regarding your thoughts on balance, well... it's an interesting point. The end result will have some interesting implications for the metaphysics of this world that we're creating. At any rate, so far all we have is Borog's belief that Tsamnir is creating forces to oppose his fellow primordials. The mechanism by which this happens has not been specified. It may be the case that he is not creating things, so much as he is drawing pre-existing, but previously unnoticed entities into positions of power in the world. It's perfectly plausible that these entities would have no reason at all to consider Tsamnir as their creator, or to consider themselves as self-created. As it stands, we already enjoy a good deal of ambiguity about the very origins of our deities.
@Grandkhan: Borog could potentially be your ally in some areas, given that he idealizes the time before the death of Afaja, when all matter was united into a single unchanging and timeless being.
@Milarqui: I'm glad you liked my portrayal of Primanus. However, I feel that we should clarify just what life is like right now. I pictured that life is currently biologically immortal- if nothing harms it, it will live forever. Thus, life expands until it has nowhere left to go, and reproduces only as much as is necessary to replace those lost to accidents. Alternatively, anything that was destroyed was swiftly re-created by Primanus. My idea is that a god of death would introduce mortality for all things, forcing all life to come to an end. Right now, death is not a necessary part of life.
The reason that I think this would be interesting is that it would present an opportunity for an interesting story, as well as for character development for Primanus. The Gardener is akin to an animator, creating life that in turn can create more of itself. I pictured the idea of animate life reverting to inanimate non-life would be alarming to 'young Primanus', although an acceptance of death may come later on, as an 'old Primanus' comes to terms with the mortality of all of its children. This would represent some of the views that you've posted in this thread.
Alternatively, perhaps Primanus is already at peace with some form of death, and Zaephta presents a far more unpleasant form of death, something out of Primanus' control which permanently removes individuals from the cosmic plane.
With that said, this is Primanus' realm, so I'll still go along with whatever explanation you prefer.
@Angst: How is the update coming? Terrance and I were talking in #nes, and suggesting that your updates really don't need to be very large at all. Almost all of the information of what's happening is in our stories, all you need to do is moderate the conflicts between gods. I think it would be very valuable to get through these early updates at a good pace, so that we can start including more players, and kill off the deities of players who don't participate.
@Grandkhan: Borog could potentially be your ally in some areas, given that he idealizes the time before the death of Afaja, when all matter was united into a single unchanging and timeless being.
@Milarqui: I'm glad you liked my portrayal of Primanus. However, I feel that we should clarify just what life is like right now. I pictured that life is currently biologically immortal- if nothing harms it, it will live forever. Thus, life expands until it has nowhere left to go, and reproduces only as much as is necessary to replace those lost to accidents. Alternatively, anything that was destroyed was swiftly re-created by Primanus. My idea is that a god of death would introduce mortality for all things, forcing all life to come to an end. Right now, death is not a necessary part of life.
The reason that I think this would be interesting is that it would present an opportunity for an interesting story, as well as for character development for Primanus. The Gardener is akin to an animator, creating life that in turn can create more of itself. I pictured the idea of animate life reverting to inanimate non-life would be alarming to 'young Primanus', although an acceptance of death may come later on, as an 'old Primanus' comes to terms with the mortality of all of its children. This would represent some of the views that you've posted in this thread.
Alternatively, perhaps Primanus is already at peace with some form of death, and Zaephta presents a far more unpleasant form of death, something out of Primanus' control which permanently removes individuals from the cosmic plane.
With that said, this is Primanus' realm, so I'll still go along with whatever explanation you prefer.
@Angst: How is the update coming? Terrance and I were talking in #nes, and suggesting that your updates really don't need to be very large at all. Almost all of the information of what's happening is in our stories, all you need to do is moderate the conflicts between gods. I think it would be very valuable to get through these early updates at a good pace, so that we can start including more players, and kill off the deities of players who don't participate.
Milarqui
Deity
I'd say that death is a part of life right now as well. Most of my stories do have mentions to the fact that every being dies, whether it is because of old age or because other being ate it for sustenance - particularly the story where Primanus works to counter Artharax's plans.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Omg I love you people. How awesome is it that I return from downtime, notice the thread's activity, am afraid that people bump it/declare it dead/etc, but then people actually talk ic metaphysics? How good is that?
Anyways, there's a reason for the downtime. I'll get to that.
The update was very close to done this Monday when my PC broke down. I've tried mending it automatically with the skills I have, but thing is, it's most probably not a software problem - and I can't fix hardware. That's the reason for the downtime, and if anything I apologize to all of you for not getting through to you earlier. I also had a pretty crude fight with my girlfriend's father yesterday - I'm currently at my mum's - my god, my whole week has been a mess. But I should've still gotten online earlier to tell you all this.
I won't stop the NES, and I can manage to rewrite the update, even if in a less epic style - which I'll do in any case if there's consensus to it, this is supposed to be a player-driven NESlite after all - but if my problem can't be mended, the map is lost. Then I have to redraw the map, sadly, and, for this update at the very least, commence updating before finishing the map. It's annoying because of potential physical inconsistencies, but what can you do? Oh right. "Screw it, we're gods!"
Blah blah. Anyways, the point is:
Sorry, my pc broke down, update still incoming. I'll probably get into a public library or somesuch during this weekend, there's free pc access and a relaxed work environment
Anyways, there's a reason for the downtime. I'll get to that.
@Angst: How is the update coming? Terrance and I were talking in #nes, and suggesting that your updates really don't need to be very large at all. Almost all of the information of what's happening is in our stories, all you need to do is moderate the conflicts between gods. I think it would be very valuable to get through these early updates at a good pace, so that we can start including more players, and kill off the deities of players who don't participate.
The update was very close to done this Monday when my PC broke down. I've tried mending it automatically with the skills I have, but thing is, it's most probably not a software problem - and I can't fix hardware. That's the reason for the downtime, and if anything I apologize to all of you for not getting through to you earlier. I also had a pretty crude fight with my girlfriend's father yesterday - I'm currently at my mum's - my god, my whole week has been a mess. But I should've still gotten online earlier to tell you all this.
I won't stop the NES, and I can manage to rewrite the update, even if in a less epic style - which I'll do in any case if there's consensus to it, this is supposed to be a player-driven NESlite after all - but if my problem can't be mended, the map is lost. Then I have to redraw the map, sadly, and, for this update at the very least, commence updating before finishing the map. It's annoying because of potential physical inconsistencies, but what can you do? Oh right. "Screw it, we're gods!"
Blah blah. Anyways, the point is:
Sorry, my pc broke down, update still incoming. I'll probably get into a public library or somesuch during this weekend, there's free pc access and a relaxed work environment
Milarqui
Deity
No prob, mate. If you have problems with the map, you can draw a new one and say that the arrival of one of the new gods or somesuch caused great changes to the entire universe. 
And, well, you are doing a good job with the whole modding, and things are getting interesting. (And now I am wondering why I didn't realize that I could have been the God of Life and Death from the beginning)
And, well, you are doing a good job with the whole modding, and things are getting interesting. (And now I am wondering why I didn't realize that I could have been the God of Life and Death from the beginning)
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
Thwapp's very busy these days.
Jehoshua
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You didn't choose Life and Death in order that there could be an evil God of Death in the "this world reeks of life" fashion.
Spoiler :
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
I'm sad to say this, but the mess following the death of my computer (and the loss of my update and notes) made me lose interest in this.
God is dead.
I'm getting a new pc in January. Then I'll probably host another thing. So if you like quality and commitment, do not join that!
God is dead.
I'm getting a new pc in January. Then I'll probably host another thing. So if you like quality and commitment, do not join that!
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
Thwapp strikes again.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
I sincerely feel like a sucky person for screwing so much up. A lot of heart had been put into this by you guys.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Actually, can we get a show of hands? Who else is disappointed that I declare this dead?
Daftpanzer
canonically ambiguous
I would say that I'm disappointed, if I had the moral authority to do so!
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