Greecemod: Not a Byzwank, Promise (EU4 althist mod creation/discussion thread)

[Civ'ed]

Speaking with SouthernKing in the chat gave me these new ideas which he told me to post here.
The first was a reformation for Islam. At first, I thought about having it be a definite division between the Muzatilite school of Sunni thought and the Ashari one.
Then, I thought of having it happen when the muslims conquer a hellenic state in the HRE like Athens. SE threw back the idea of a Roman - centric Muslim reformation.
Also, regarding the jewish states, an event could happen named " The coming of the Messiah ". Either you accept him and you get a 6/6/6 ruler or you refuse and a revolt breaks out leaded by him.

Messiah choice needs to have a viable counterchoice. why would you have a revolt when you just get a wtfbbq ruler?
The choice is unbalanced, and there either needs to be a Messianic "heresy" for Jews (with CB's for non-Messianic powers to reinstall normal Judaism) or some other penalties associated with a 6/6/6.

 

[Polyblank]

Messiah choice needs to have a viable counterchoice. why would you have a revolt when you just get a wtfbbq ruler?
The choice is unbalanced, and there either needs to be a Messianic "heresy" for Jews (with CB's for non-Messianic powers to reinstall normal Judaism) or some other penalties associated with a 6/6/6.

I thought of it, but I could not think of the penalties as I have not played EU4 extensively to know what can and can't be done.

 

[SouthernKing]

Posting this absolutely wonderful thing here so I know where it is: http://www.eu4wiki.com/images/c/c9/Province_ID_map.png

Also I've gotten permission from the Aurora Universalis (a fun classical age mod that hasn't been updated to 1.8 but it's quite fun) guy to use all their assets which will make life much easier.

 

[Omega124]

DO they have a Scythia flag, and if so, can you post it?

 

[SouthernKing]

DO they have a Scythia flag, and if so, can you post it?

There's no Scythia per se but there's quite a few Scythian tribes, I don't remember what they all are.

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Anyway, I'm calling this one Alpha 0.002:
-Mainland Iberia done; the starting setup is there, plus a Basque revolter recycling NAV's tag, Vasconia (Basques are eternal), as well as the union of Hispania, which recycles the old SPA tag.
-Rome tag added; I figure this could be used as a decision for either Italya or SPQR if/when they reunite the peninsula, or perhaps another state that happens to gain control of Rome plus a few other places. (Italia should have more revolters as well IMO but this isn't urgent.)
-Italy now has an "Arab-Latin" culture in OTL Piedmont that partly extends into France.
It was mostly done yesterday actually but my Internet kept dying on me.

Also, I found out today that prematurely deleting country tags from the game may cause the game to crash while Loading Events. Yay for 30 minutes spent trying to figure out why that happened.

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I've also included the (still-unmodified) province names localisation file in the mod so if someone wants to do anything with that, please go ahead and do so! Or you could even post them here and I can add them. Use the labelled province ID map for reference if you need it.

 

[Civ'ed]

Will work on unique East African Totally-not-Sikh Venice today.

 

[JohannaK]

Hmm, I wonder if you could give the Easternmost Lusitanyan province to Citerior. The current borders are pre-AoW, and that would have made them terrible, but now I think its actually acceptable.

 

[Civ'ed]

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this and the above have led to...

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EDIT 1: Gave Sarapion, you know, Sarapion.
Mosyllum

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Name: Mosyllum
Tag suggestion: MSY
Religion: Hellenist/Christian
Culture: Somali
Ideas:
Traditions: -25% light ship cost, +7.5% trade steering
Library of Mosyllum: -5% diplotech cost, -5% admintech cost
Punt Training: -6% land attrition
Gate to the Erythraean: +10% trade efficiency, +1 merchant
Erythraean Pirates: -10% ship recruitment time
Post-Somali Administration: -10% idea cost, -5% admintech cost
Thesean Expeditions: +1 colonist
The Diadromes: +100% enemy core creation cost
Ambition: -1% navy tradition decay

Emirates (Iraftah and Pirayye)

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Name: Iraftah/Pirraye
Tag suggestion: IRA/PRA
Religion: Muslim
Culture: Arab/Swahili
Ideas:
Traditions: -25% naval attrition, +1 missionary
Shari'a: +1 tolerance of own religion
Second Exodus: allows Exploration
Socotid Weyn: +1 colonist
The Edicts of al-Malik: -30 build cost
Caste Relaxation: +1 advisor, -6% advisor cost
The Xhidhidka: +1 diplomat
Yaqub's Reforms: -25 naval maintenance modifier
Ambition: +1 Free leader

Sarapion

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Name: Sarapion
Tag suggestion: SRN
Religion: Totally-Not-Sikh (combination of christianity and buddhism)
Culture: Arab
Ideas:
Traditions: +1 merchant, +15% discipline
Proti Kai Mondaki: +15% Infantry Power
Sarapionite Tactics: +1 leader shock
Scourge of Zanj: +1 colonist
The Davidian Reforms: -5% arty cost, -5% cav cost, -10% inf cost
Adaptational Tactics: -7.5% miltech cost
Know no Peace: +1 leader fire
Bonds: -2% war exhaustion
Ambition: +1 Free leader

 

[SouthernKing]

Hmm, I wonder if you could give the Easternmost Lusitanyan province to Citerior. The current borders are pre-AoW, and that would have made them terrible, but now I think its actually acceptable.

Hmm, this isn't a bad idea actually.

Will work on unique East African Totally-not-Sikh Venice today.

You're the best

 

[SouthernKing]

I've posted the province list here, and feel free to edit names. I do ask that if you do, then you please place "#done" next to finalized names as a comment tag so we know which are final.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Question: What language are the French using? Arabic? French? German? Mixture of all three?

 

[SouthernKing]

Question: What language are the French using? Arabic? French? German? Mixture of all three?

My guess is that Francia/Frankreich/whateverthehell is probably using German, while France itself is probably a weird mix of Arabic, Latin, and Celtic. it's really up to you.

The first was a reformation for Islam. At first, I thought about having it be a definite division between the Muzatilite school of Sunni thought and the Ashari one.
Then, I thought of having it happen when the muslims conquer a hellenic state in the HRE like Athens. SE threw back the idea of a Roman - centric Muslim reformation.

Edit: This is probably a bit late but after musing over it a little I must say that I really, really like the idea of an Ashari/Mutazilite split reformation thing. I suggest maybe having the Islamic world start out Ashari (especially if they're in the jihadist mentality with Mecca and Medina under Christian control) and with the influence of Hellenic culture a Mutazilite (or otherwise more humanist/rationalist) branch could arise somewhere close to Greece (Rome or Egypt maybe) via events.

Maybe Muslim states that convert to the Mutazilite branch could get a tech boost or get shifted to a higher tech group, while Asharis get some nice morale and discipline bonuses?

 

[NinjaCow64]

Okay, I've just realized that there are a bunch of people who have never used GitHub or an SVN before working with an SVN. Here's some quick tips:

1) Make sure that you are editing the most up-to-date version possible. This is the most important part as working on an out-of-date version of something is just bad news trust me. Also the work that you have done might have been done by someone us.

2) Upload often. At the very least you should be uploading your committed version every time you go "I've done enough modding for today" and stop modding. Even if what you are doing is not complete. This is a way to avoid conflicts (a.k.a when two uploads are different). I'm not 100% sure how GitHub works with conflicts but it is almost always a nightmare merging them.

3) Coordinate with your fellow modders. This isn't always possible, but at least try. This can stop things where two people work on the same thing and waste a bunch of time.

4) The most important thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter if you do something stupid and break everything. The worst case scenario 99% of time is that we have to go back to an older revision and that really isn't that bad.

So yeah have fun modding people!

 

[NinjaCow64]

Also, this deserves to have it's own post.

Before you start modding, make sure you have access to the GitHub account! It will save a lot of time and effort for everyone, trust me. If you've already started modding already it's not the end of the world, but if you haven't then just wait it will make things easier and save you precious time.

 

[Civ'ed]

MORE IDEAS!
Sarapionic minors (Nicon/Opone)

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Name: Nicon/Opone
Tag suggestion: NCN/OPN
Religion: Totally-not-Sikh
Culture: Arab/Somali
Ideas:
Traditions: +25% trade efficiency, +20% global province trade modifier
Merchant Marine: +1 merchant
Great Armies: +30% land forcelimits
Surrounded by enemies: +20% defensiveness
Great House Acts: +1 colonist
Ecumenical Faith: +2 heretic tolerance
Tribal Diplomacy: +100% available mercenaries, -15% mercenary cost
Free Cities: reduced stab impact
Ambition: +1 Diplomat

Pano

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Name: Pano
Tag suggestion: PAN
Religion: Christian or maybe even Jewish
Culture: Somali
Ideas:
Traditions: +6% navy morale recover speed, -25% naval maintenance
Merchant Marine: sea repair
Ciidanka Badda: +30% naval forcelimits
Foreign Expeditions: +1 colonist
Integration: -25% core creation cost
Piracy: -1.5% war exhaustion
Shipbuilders of the Star: -25% heavy ship cost
Company of the Hat: -25% naval attrition
Ambition: +1 missionary

MOST IMPORTANT EDIT EVER

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[SouthernKing]

Thank you Cived

DO they have a Scythia flag, and if so, can you post it?

Apparently I lied.

That's...not actually a flag but it's what the game uses and imo it sorta looks cool.

Okay, I've just realized that there are a bunch of people who have never used GitHub or an SVN before working with an SVN. Here's some quick tips:

1) Make sure that you are editing the most up-to-date version possible. This is the most important part as working on an out-of-date version of something is just bad news trust me. Also the work that you have done might have been done by someone us.

2) Upload often. At the very least you should be uploading your committed version every time you go "I've done enough modding for today" and stop modding. Even if what you are doing is not complete. This is a way to avoid conflicts (a.k.a when two uploads are different). I'm not 100% sure how GitHub works with conflicts but it is almost always a nightmare merging them.

3) Coordinate with your fellow modders. This isn't always possible, but at least try. This can stop things where two people work on the same thing and waste a bunch of time.

4) The most important thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter if you do something stupid and break everything. The worst case scenario 99% of time is that we have to go back to an older revision and that really isn't that bad.

So yeah have fun modding people!

Also, this deserves to have it's own post.

Before you start modding, make sure you have access to the GitHub account! It will save a lot of time and effort for everyone, trust me. If you've already started modding already it's not the end of the world, but if you haven't then just wait it will make things easier and save you precious time.

Don't hesitate to ask me if you need access.

Thank you, and yeah, this. I haven't been doing a great job following this either, and I really should.

Edit: guys I think I found a great flag for Lesbos

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[Civ'ed]

East Africa nears completion!

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Things left:

• Minor Sarapionite Ideas
• Azania/Puntland
• Editing Abyssinia to be more like the concept map
• Fixing religion icon bug

 

[SouthernKing]

Test

also, for terran:

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[SouthernKing]

Okay, I had an idea regarding the Covenant. Instead of creating an entirely new faith like that, why don't we instead say that it's a "rediscovery" or "rebirth" of an older, more obscure religion like Neoplatonism, Hermeticism, or something like that? It's possible to link any of these with the major Abrahamic religions. If we're willing to again genocide butterflies you could even use Sol Invictus or something.

It's up to you Terran I suppose since it's your idea, but this is my input.

Or, you know what, maybe not Sol Invictus, as Sol Invictus sounds kind of like what Imperial Hellenism seems to be.

In other religion-related ideas, I came up with a new plan: keep Mithraism in India (as the deity did exist in India), but replace it with Manichaeanism in at least parts of Southeast Asia, because I feel it's better that both exist as semi-major religions to make things interesting.

 

[Civ'ed]

Right, I've made all the provinces that are marked for colonization in the Horn empty. The tags for Ajuraan, Mogadishu, Kilwa, etc. still exist, but there's no way they can exist in-game - I've removed all the cores!
I still need to clear out Zimbabwe and Quelimane, as well as figuring out how the Azania/Puntland decisions are going to work.
My idea for each is:

• Admin tech 10 - same as all formables
• Must be Azanian (Isian*, Arabo-Azanian)/Puntlander (Helleno-Somali, Judeo-Somali)**
• Must own the capitals of each nation with cultural tag, which would mean:
  • For AZA:
    1. Sarapion
    2. Nicon
    3. Pyrallax
    4. Raphta
    5. Must also own Madagashqar
  • For PNT:
    1. Mosyllum
    2. Pano
    3. Opone
• Must have cores in said capitals
• Will grant prestige
• Will grant centralization modifier
• Will change tag to AZA/PNT
• Will move capital to Sarapion (AZA) or Mosyllum (PNT)
• Will grant new set of ideas that will incorporate ideas from the constituent nations

* Probably to be changed to Isayan, which is similar to the religion of Isian nations
** Opone (OPN) will also be able to form Puntland, despite being Isian and thus an Azanian nation.
The preferred AI religion for AZA will be Isayan, while the preferred AI religion for PNT will be either Hellenic or Jewish.

I'll be using SK's Minas Tekbir (I needed to make a pun, sorry) up there as the new ETH flag, give it a pretty new color, and change the name to Atiopiyya or somesuch.

I've also, through communication and cooperation with NC, roadmapped a country for the delightful province of Manga. Featuring Gundam, Attack on Titan and "It-it's not like I wanted you to core me anyway".