Guess the New Civs

shaglio said:
Well, I tried to give the Pro-Portugal fanbase a little bit of hope, but I see what you're saying. I know next to nothing about developing video games, so I was pretty much in over my head to begin with. I just thought it could be a case of "one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing" and that whoever decided to hypothetically add Portugal as a new civ didn't know that the decision was made to add Lisbon as a CS (or vice versa).
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I considered it. There's a screenshot of the original game with a natural wonder that didn't make it. However, they also carefully select these screenshots to reveal new information. If they didn't want to reveal Lisbon as a City-State, I think they would have made a map that just used old CS.

Swerv said:
I'd hate to burst a lot of bubbles, but the Moors are not a civilization. They aren't even a distinct people. "Moor" is a term that medieval Europeans used to describe the Muslim Arabs, Berbers, and West Africans of Al-Andalus (the term given to Iberia by it's Arab/Muslim conquerors in 711CE). You could argue that later Berber dynasties such as the Almoravids or the Almohads were culturally and ethnically distinct, and this is who you are referring to when you say "Moors," but you'd be wrong.
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When I use Moors, I usually use it in the sense of popular terminology. Technically, the Iroquois are the Haudenosaunee. They were called the Iroquois by their enemies, but the name stuck. I usually literally write "Moors (Almoravids)" for clarification. One is the popular name, the other is the actual name. I'd be happy if they're called the Almoravids, but having another Muslim Kingdom on the Mediterranean coast is an uphill battle to begin with, I want to at least have people go "ah, I heard of them."

EDIT: All this is a bit moot. As is this Israel discussion. There's a "Suggest New Civs" thread in the suggestions forum. This was supposed to be about guessing the actually included civs. We know Israel and the Almoravids are not being included because they are City-States. So there's no need to bring in a quasi-historical, quasi-political fight over Israel.
 
Liex said:
Europe: 6 (+2 in DLC; +3 in G&K) (*Counting the Byzantines in)
Asia: 4 (+ 2 in DLC)
Middle-East: 3 (+1 in DLC) (*Counting Persia in)
Northern Africa: 2 (+1 in G&K) (*Counting Songhai in)
North America: 2
Mesoamerica: 1 (+1 in G&K)
Oceania: 0 (+1 in DLC)
South America: 0 (+1 in DLC)
Sub-Saharan Africa: 0
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Thank you for this tally. Its an interesting way to demonstrate geographical holes in the distrubution of the game's civilizations. It might also be interesting to assemble a tally where the civilizations are roughly sorted by the era in which they existed.
 
In technical terms, yes. However, I assume he means Black Africa or the Africa that was part of the Bantu migrations. In that case, it isn't.
 
I guess he put it into Northern Africa because they are Muslim and they may use "middle eastern" skins due to them living in the sahel, and not the jungle. But it is clearly wrong as both Islam and Christianity are really big in Sub-saharan Africa. Also, they are geographically clearly south of the Sahara.
 
Megashadow41 said:
Isnt songhai part of sub-saharra africa?
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That is why I made it explicit where I was counting them; it’s an arguably classification, indeed. I could have counted them as a Sub-Saharan civ, but then even more people would point out that it wasn't a good classification - albeit it technically is.

Considering “Sub-Saharan Africa: 1”, I still think my previous point is valid: Sub-Saharan Africa is currently the least represented region.
 
my guesses:

- In Europe I don't think there is much need for another civ, but wouldn't mind if they add Portugal (even through Lisbon is probably a city-state)
- I would like a Sioux civ, as an horse-focused civ.
- I'm not a big fan of African civs, but won't mind Zulu or Ethiopian civs.
- Any civ will be welcome and help making the game even more interesting :)

BTW, about the discussion about Israel civilization- as an Israeli myself, I have to say some of you were a bit offending. I agree we doesn't have enough history to be a civ in the game (hundred years as a kingdom, then be divided into 2 kingdoms after a civil war, one conquered by Assyria then both by Babylon, Persia and than Greece (Alexander, The Ptolemaic Kingdom and then The Seleucid Empire) won independence for 100 years only to be conquered by the Romans at 37 BC, and in the end win independence 70 years ago), but to be honest, most of the civs weren't a major power from the moment they were founded. America needed 200 years to win independence and another 150 years to become a major power (after WW1), Britannia was (and still partly is) most of its time busy fighting itself (Romans vs Celts, Celts vs Germans) and different invaders such as the Vikings and French (Normans).
My biggest problem is your generalization, not all Israelis hate Arabs (through you'll be surprised how many Arabs who live in Israel want to kick us out, but again not all). We live under a threat of terrorism, and most of our wars at least started as defensive wars before moved to the territory of the attacker (the rising conflict with Iran may change this).
So in the end, maybe for now Israel is not a civ (but definitely not a tyrannical self destructive nation whose only goal is to kill every one in the middle east and give bad name for Jewish people), but in few hundred years, who know maybe we will be a known civilization with a strong impact on the history of planet earth.
 
After a hard consideration and some chances in my opinions, my "wishlist" for the last four Civs for Gods & Kings are:

1) Finland (C.G.E. Mannerheim)
2) Khazaria (Ziebel)
3) Kongo (Nkuwu Nzinga)
4) Hungary (Matthias Corvinus)

and the extra Civ for the G&K Deluxe Edition (which I hope will be released with a soundtrack ;))

5) Missisippi (or Cherokee, Apache, Sioux, Comanche)

Possibly (and hopefully) there will be seven DLC Civs later this year, so my prefers for those:

1) Indonesia (Hayam Wuruk)
2) Ethiopia (Menelik II)
3) Vietnam (Lê Thánh Tông)
4) Austria (Franz Joseph I)
5) Hittites (Muwattali II)
6) Kushan (Kanishka)
7) Romania (Vlad Tepes)
 
MARDUK80 said:
After a hard consideration and some chances in my opinions, my "wishlist" for the last four Civs for Gods & Kings are:

1) Finland (C.G.E. Mannerheim)
2) Khazaria (Ziebel)
3) Kongo (Nkuwu Nzinga)
4) Hungary (Matthias Corvinus)

and the extra Civ for the G&K Deluxe Edition (which I hope will be released with a soundtrack ;))

5) Missisippi (or Cherokee, Apache, Sioux, Comanche)

Possibly (and hopefully) there will be seven DLC Civs later this year, so my prefers for those:

1) Indonesia (Hayam Wuruk)
2) Ethiopia (Menelik II)
3) Vietnam (Lê Thánh Tông)
4) Austria (Franz Joseph I)
5) Hittites (Muwattali II)
6) Kushan (Kanishka)
7) Romania (Vlad Tepes)
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I would be happy with any and all of that :D Sumeria would be nice too though, the more i hear about it the better it sounds.

Finland could have one man as it's UU though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä

He replaces the Giant Death Robot
 
True_Candyman said:
I would be happy with any and all of that :D Sumeria would be nice too though, the more i hear about it the better it sounds.
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Yeah, I had hard time choosing between Hittites, Sumer, Zulu and Portugal for the final slot.


True_Candyman said:
Finland could have one man as it's UU though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä

He replaces the Giant Death Robot
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Heh, yeah Simo "White Death" Häyhä would be cool. It was just yesterday when I switched Finnish UU idea from WD (Infantry replacement) to Runonlaulaja (Scout replacement). I felt Finnish Civ concept needed stronger link to the past, hence Runonlaulaja, but White Death would have been fun to play as well. Invisible sniper unit with extra range and extra movement --- or the GDR replacement with that kill ratio :D

Hakkapeliitta and Sissi would work as well. But I think Sauna is the essential UB for the Finns. Replaces Garden and has increased Great People birth ratio (Saunas were common place to give birth in older times) and gives happiness. Though Tar Kiln would be exciting UI as well. Gives a bonus to naval units and generates extra gold.
 
MARDUK80 said:
Yeah, I had hard time choosing between Hittites, Sumer, Zulu and Portugal for the final slot.





Heh, yeah Simo "White Death" Häyhä would be cool. It was just yesterday when I switched Finnish UU idea from WD (Infantry replacement) to Runonlaulaja (Scout replacement). I felt Finnish Civ concept needed stronger link to the past, hence Runonlaulaja, but White Death would have been fun to play as well. Invisible sniper unit with extra range and extra movement --- or the GDR replacement with that kill ratio :D

Hakkapeliitta and Sissi would work as well. But I think Sauna is the essential UB for the Finns. Replaces Garden and has increased Great People birth ratio (Saunas were common place to give birth in older times) and gives happiness. Though Tar Kiln would be exciting UI as well. Gives a bonus to naval units and generates extra gold.
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Only problem is, Finland will probably be dlc, considering the Danish are already available, if they come at all :( But seeing as they were called the Danish rather than the Vikings this time there is hope :D

I think most of all i'd like to see some really unusual empires that have been really unaccredited though. Thought in reality i'll be happy with any bone i'm thrown at this stage :D
 
Zulus, Prussia, Phoenicians, Toltecs?, Nubians?

Byzantine leader probably Justinian I ?
 
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