Gunman Kills 8 in Attack on School in Jerusalem

[Esckey]

How the hell are you suppose to negotiated with a group of terrorists that believe you shouldn't exist? That refuse to even recognize isreal?

 

[Leonel]

How the hell are you suppose to negotiated with a group of terrorists that believe you shouldn't exist? That refuse to even recognize isreal?

You give them flowers and sing in a big drum circle John Lennon songs.

 

[Gecko1]

How the hell are you suppose to negotiated with a group of terrorists that believe you shouldn't exist? That refuse to even recognize isreal?

Go to the source of their hatred. What made Jews and Arabs hate eachother? There you go, those are sister religions, the whole problem is political not religious. It's just more convienient to electrify people to your side by using religion.

 

[Ecofarm]

Go to the source of their hatred. What made Jews and Arabs hate eachother? There you go, those are sister religions, the whole problem is political not religious. It's just more convienient to electrify people to your side by using religion.

The "whole problem" is that Hamas targets innocent people.

Whether that is a result of their religion or politics, I don't know. But I'm unaware of any political party that specifically promotes the slaughter of innocent civilians.


ps. Sharia law is a religious problem, not a political one. It's not like there are any nonmuslims voting for it. It doesn't count as a political position anymore than creationism counts as a scientific one. Humanity is not going back to patriarchial dark-ages, now matter if religious fundies of any sort may want.

 

[Gecko1]

The "whole problem" is that Hamas targets innocent people.

Whether that is a result of their religion or politics, I don't know. But I'm unaware of any political party that specifically promotes the slaughter of innocent civilians.


ps. Sharia law is a religious problem, not a political one. It's not like there are any nonmuslims voting for it. It doesn't count as a political position anymore than creationism counts as a scientific one. Humanity is not going back to patriarchial dark-ages, now matter if religious fundies of any sort may want.

The root problem is older than Hamas or Israel as a state.

 

[RedRalph]

So proud of IDF's human rights record?: http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/20060720_Human_Shields_in_Beit_Hanun.asp

Israel's own supreme court had to ban its army from using people as human shields:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4314898.stm

amnesty report on IDF:

"abuses committed by the Israeli army constituted crimes against humanity and war crimes, including unlawful killings; extensive and wanton destruction of property; obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel; torture; and the use of Palestinians as human shields."
"The Israeli army killed more than 700 Palestinians, including some 150 children. Most were killed unlawfully — in reckless shooting, shelling and air strikes in civilian residential areas; in extrajudicial executions; and as a result of excessive use of force."

have a look around the web, they have been accused by numerous entities of committing many, many human rights violations. dont try and make out they are squeaky clean, because like Hamas, they are far from it.

 

[skadistic]

So are these rights violations the IDF mo or is it isolated incidence. Unlike hamas who intentionally targets civilians at every turn? You know like when you try to make it look like US soldiers rape little girls at a higher rate then it actually does.

 

[RedRalph]

So are these rights violations the IDF mo or is it isolated incidence. Unlike hamas who intentionally targets civilians at every turn? You know like when you try to make it look like US soldiers rape little girls at a higher rate then it actually does.

Hamas do that, I'm not denying it. you defend or dismiss it when Israel does it, and rightfully criticise it when Hamas does it. why did the Israelis supremem counrt feel the need to ban soldiers from doing it if it was a one off? As per usual you criticise others for doing something you dismiss when "your side" does it. total and utter ridiculous double standard for all to see.

Show me where I made the highlighted allegation or retract your assertion please.

 

[skadistic]

Hamas do that, I'm not denying it. you defend or dismiss it when Israel does it, and rightfully criticise it when Hamas does it. why did the Israelis supremem counrt feel the need to ban soldiers from doing it if it was a one off? As per usual you criticise others for doing something you dismiss when "your side" does it. total and utter ridiculous double standard for all to see.

Where did I dismiss or deny? Can you quote it? What? No. You can't?

Again is this the mo of the IDF or individual incidences? Before the SC of Israel stepped in was it IDF tactics? Was it in the hand book?

Is the intentional targeting of civilians the mo of hamas? Is human shields the mo hamas? Are those taught as tactics that are ok?

The only thing ridiculous here is your inability to see the difference.

Show me where I made the highlighted allegation or retract your assertion please.

You made it in your threads about Okinawa. I retract nothing. That was the intent of your threads. To make the US soldiers stationed there to be some kind of animals who raped the civilians. Then it was shown that you were blowing the rate of crimes out of proportion to what they actually were. You were exposed in your threads.

 

[RedRalph]

Where did I dismiss or deny? Can you quote it? What? No. You can't?

Again is this the mo of the IDF or individual incidences? Before the SC of Israel stepped in was it IDF tactics? Was it in the hand book?

Is the intentional targeting of civilians the mo of hamas? Is human shields the mo hamas? Are those taught as tactics that are ok?

The only thing ridiculous here is your inability to see the difference.

Was it written in a handbook? No. did it occur? Yes, several times. did the SC feel the need to ban it? Yes. Given those fact, does it matter whether it was written in a handbook? no.

Was it written in a handbook that red army soldiers should rape women when Berlin fell? no. does that make a difference? No.

Was it written in a handbook that Republican guardsmen should rape women in front of their father? no. does it make a difference? no.

you find an excuse to dismiss (which is exactly what you are doing) IDF crimes because you dont want to accept they can be as immoral as Hamas. wether its writtne down in a handbook dosent make the slightest bit iof difference to the person who is being mudered in a resteraunt by Hamas or murdered in Palestine by the IDF.

 

[RedRalph]

You made it in your threads about Okinawa. I retract nothing. That was the intent of your threads. To make the US soldiers stationed there to be some kind of animals who raped the civilians. Then it was shown that you were blowing the rate of crimes out of proportion to what they actually were. You were exposed in your threads.

OK, fair enough, I'm going to put it to a Mod and see if they think thats what I alleged.

 

[skadistic]

Was it written in a handbook? No. did it occur? Yes, several times. did the SC feel the need to ban it? Yes. Given those fact, does it matter whether it was written in a handbook? no.

Was it written in a handbook that red army soldiers should rape women when Berlin fell? no. does that make a difference? No.

Was it written in a handbook that Republican guardsmen should rape women in front of their father? no. does it make a difference? no.

you find an excuse to dismiss (which is exactly what you are doing) IDF crimes because you dont want to accept they can be as immoral as Hamas. wether its writtne down in a handbook dosent make the slightest bit iof difference to the person who is being mudered in a resteraunt by Hamas or murdered in Palestine by the IDF.

Where did I dismiss anything? Did I say it never happened?

If you don't understand why it maters that its not in the book I'm not surprised really. If you can't grasp the difference between the IDF and a few incidences and hamas as the mo that just reflects on you and a lack of intellectual honesty.

 

[skadistic]

OK, fair enough, I'm going to put it to a Mod and see if they think thats what I alleged.

Do what ever you feel is needed. Maybe you should go read that thread again. You know the one where your motives were called out.

 

[RedRalph]

Do what ever you feel is needed. Maybe you should go read that thread again. You know the one where your motives were called out.

No, they werent actually, you and a few other people made assumptions about my motives which were proved wrong, so eventually ye shut up about it. took long enough though.

 

[FeelGood]

What would you say if I say the killings are justified no matter what their intent is.

It doesn't make a difference if you keep failing to comply to your intent or whatever written in your handbook.

Hamas and Fatah should be united in facing Israel instead of fighting each other while Israel should stop killing people, be sincere and start accepting the Palestinians existence.

Ok.... it never justify

 

[HannibalBarka]

Yes but one tries to save the other but them in danger. In that picture the blame falls on only one side. Children die everyday for all kinds of reasons. Some more evil then others.

IDF soldiers hide behind palestinians women instead:

Threatening the occupants with his weapon, one of the (IDF*) soldiers ordered 'Aza Kafarneh, a 43-year old (palestinian*) woman, to accompany him to search each of the floors in the building and to open the doors of each of the rooms.

http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/20060720_Human_Shields_in_Beit_Hanun.asp

* added by me

But I am sure you'll find a very goooooooooooooooooooooog reason for him to do so

 

[RedRalph]

Of course. anyway, its OK because its not written in a procedures manual.

 

[skadistic]

IDF soldiers hide behind palestinians women instead:

Threatening the occupants with his weapon, one of the (IDF*) soldiers ordered 'Aza Kafarneh, a 43-year old (palestinian*) woman, to accompany him to search each of the floors in the building and to open the doors of each of the rooms.

http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/20060720_Human_Shields_in_Beit_Hanun.asp

* added by me

But I am sure you'll find a very goooooooooooooooooooooog reason for him to do so

So is that normal operating procedure? Does the IDF do that every day all day like hamas does?

 

[skadistic]

Of course. anyway, its OK because its not written in a procedures manual.

You do realize you are the only one saying that right?

 

[RedRalph]

So is that normal operating procedure? Does the IDF do that every day all day like hamas does?

Hoew many examples have to be posted before you drop that argument?