West 36
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Diana that high? And Thatcher? No one from Zeppelin? You English... you damned English...
On a side note, didn't know Tom Paine was English born.
On a side note, didn't know Tom Paine was English born.
Guy Fawkes
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The amusing part is that the man spent so much time deeply involved with the French Revolutionaries that he might as well have been from three countries.
(Though technically he had to have been English born, because they were colonies and all that. 
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That's not especially unusual, many of the leading lights of the revolution had strong links to Britain, Robert Morris was born in Liverpool for example.
azzaman333
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I think it is because Fawkes just sounds like an awesome name.
Only topped by Forks.
Only topped by Forks.
The Brits seem to play Civ too.
At the risk of sounding stupid, where on earth did you think he was from??
Although I don't think I could sound as stupid as that list if I tried.
West 36
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America/the Colonies, whatever you wanna call it. It doesn't surprise me, I just thought he was from here. Our revolution, started by foreigners?
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Started and bankrolled, its not for nothing that Morris was known as the Financier of the Revolution. I go past the site of his birthplace on the way to work most mornings, its also about 500 yards from where Banastre Tarleton was born.
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Isn't that from that movie V for Vendetta?
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Isn't what from the movie?
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V from the movie V from Vendetta, based on the comic series V for Vendetta, wears a Guy Fawkes mask. To paraphrase the words of David Lloyd (or Alan Moore or one of their producers): the guy should be celebrated for trying to blow up Parliament, not burned every year.
Japanrocks12
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Where the hell is William Somerset Maugham
He'd be in the 'worst inventions' thread but the rule is that no people can be nominated.Where the hell is William Somerset Maugham
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That makes more sense, its just without quotes GreatNinja's post just seemed pretty random to me.
Japanrocks12
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He'd be in the 'worst inventions' thread but the rule is that no people can be nominated.
are you kidding me he's a way better author than any of those authors
Yes, I am kidding. Maugham isn't terrible, though he's not my favorite.
I really didn't understand that film. Why have a character (V) base himself on a religious terrorist who wants to destroy what democracy there is and introduce a religious monarch when that character is actually a freedom-fighter hoping to restore democracy?
It's either very stupid or a poor attempt at irony.
Guy Fawkes was not trying to destroy democracy of any kind or degree, because none existed at the time. He wasn't trying to introduce a religious monarch, he was hoping to replace a monarch and government that favoured one religion and persecuted another with a monarch and government that did it the other way round, as it were.
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The idea was the replacement of the individual with the icon of an abstract concept. Guy Fawkes represented an attack on an authoritarian regime, his particular goals were not important. It's similar to the way an anarchist may wear a shirt showing El Che, a hard-line authoritarian Marxist. I know it seems contradictory, but there is an internal logic there, albeit imperfect.
The association between Fawkes and anarchism is not new, and certainly not Moore's invention, as evidenced by this mid-20th century anarchist poster...
Spoiler :
As you can see, there's a bit of a cynical, ironic edge to the association. It's not exactly hero worship.
Besides, it's important to remember that it originates in the comic, in which V is presented rather differently. Film V is a freedom fighting liberal democrat who uses a lionised version of Fawkes as inspiration. Comic V is a terroristic, borderline psychotic anarchist who uses the traditional Guy effigy as the basis for his iconic, impersonal costume.
What did parliament do then? Hang around and look good? What were Guy Fawkes' plans for parliament after blowing the place up? Could anyone seriously believe that a new Catholic monarch would re-introduce such a limitation on his power?
Parliament gradually increased in representation. To have destroyed it wouldn't have shattered a perfect democracy, but it would have destroyed the growing trend.
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