The ones the gods agreed to allow time to work it out for themselves. That being the entire point of the Compact originally. Granted, DI sort of bends the rules a little (for instance, Tali couldn't normally get away with having Leucetious nudge a mortal but..."si fueris Romae, Romano vivitomore; si fueris alibi, vivito sicut ibi" and all).
Nah, that wasn't the point of Compact. Compact was to end the God's war without destroying creation. Only goody two-shoes feel it was for the Mortal's own sake, and not our own.
The only issue with your action was an attempt to directly offend Tali. Which, bluntly, is pretty useless. Being offended would mean Tali would have to take responsibility for something first; when it pertains specifically to him, it's almost blasphemous to think about. He may not agree with Mammon's logic, but he would just encourage the mortals to ignore Mammon anyway, so it's a moot point.
Oh, don't be so self-centered, Tali! It wasn't aimed at you, or anyone, except Gerran and the Grigori. Which, by all accounts, it was pretty effective. Anyone else who was upset is merely collateral.
Once again I appeal to our common sense. We can have arguments between gods, but at the end of the road it is Verian's game which should be made better not worse by god's interventions.
I disagree. I am a God of Evil. Unless Verian follows me, I will not support him. If he opposes me, I will harm him. That is the fundamental difference between a neutral god, who if spurned would simply turn away and leave be, or a good god, who if spurned would still give chances.
I am evil. EVIL. Evil can have sound logical reasons, but do not confuse it for a beneficiary. I was free with my game plan at the beginning: some will be wealthy, and the rest will be poor. That was an either or proposition, and others forget it at their peril.
I dont mean we should help not harm. Penalties are as good mean to increase fun, as bonuses are.
But let's think on one thing that is civ specific fun for Grigori. Why one chooses to play them instead of myriads of other civs. Well, I'm sure we have a consensus here: these are adventurers.
I think we could have an agreement here that adventurers are Grigori's heroes. And according to one of the points (dont remember now was it Compact or Verdian's directions before the game) we should not touch heroes. At least not that severily. Knocking out one for one round was fine. Knocking all of them... well. Think about it.
If no one can curse the heroes, then I will demand that no one can bless them either. At all, in any way, for any length of time. That is the one new Compact I will agree to. Even if Finnigan or any other hero saves your vault from all problems ever, you still can not heal him one unit of health no matter how deathly ill he is. Any conditions he comes upon honestly in dungeon or field, he keeps.
I know asking for apologizing is maybe not a big deal in Mammon's eyes. But mind that pleasing all gods is just not feasible in the game course. If he is penalized in the same way by each god each time he breaks god's will, that could be too much pain.
Therefore now I'm wondering is it ok if we think of the alternative way to allow Verdian to take the Mammon's curse out of Finnegan without apologizing Mammon. How 'bout a trip to a Pool of Tears? Dean what's your feeling here?
A trip to the Pool of Tears was always a solution, unless he sins again by taking unnecessary risk, at which point the blessing will reactivate. Of course, we we make a new compact banning all help or harm, the blessing will not reactivate once removed by any means beside direct divine intervention (besides mine: I'm still open to bribery, you know).
So is simply apologizing and making some sort of compensation, which will. And, I really hate to break evil conspiring here, but the compensation was going to be turned around and given back to him with more besides, as a reward for acknowledging and even embracing greed.
To further break character even more, the first penalty was supposed to be harsh, but easy to remove: if the first punishment hurts, then one is unlikely to want to repeat such a transgression and later punishments are unnecessary.
