Hint at 3rd expansion from Firaxis??

Indeed, what we're seeing now going from Civ 5 to Civ 6 is were similar to what happened during the Civ 4 to 5 transition. Although I personally think R&F was a bit lacklustre and failed to convince many to move over to the current version of the game.
True. R&F was solid and not bad at all pointing into the right direction but just didn't feel "massive". Let's hope it is the fundament on which GS can shine now...
(maybe I'm just overhyped but I have a good feeling about a general more complete "feel" of the game I might get with GS - To me Ed saved ciV with BNW - In Ed we trust! :worship:)
 
RnF feels more and like a placeholder or beta, particularly given how much content is added in GS. Loyalty and Governors are really strong, intuitive and fun mechanics. And yet FXS has done very little with them. Those mechanics and others all just feel very “proof of concept” to me.

But I think maybe RnF might look a lot better in hindsight after GS, and more so if we get a Third Expansion that really builds on it.

Generally, I think most things in Civ VI that were ideas or mechanics in prior versions Civ VI does 100 times better. The only shortcomings are (1) mechanics or ideas in prior versions that haven’t made it over to Civ VI yet or which haven’t been properly developed yet (and that list is getting shorter and shorter) and (2) the overall challenge level, including the AI in particular, is too low. You could maybe add “general polish”, but I’m not sure that will still be true post GS.

I don’t think GS is overhyped. More, I just think the journey to this version of Civ VI being as good as it can be has been very very long, and probably still has at least a bit further to go.
 
True. R&F was solid and not bad at all pointing into the right direction but just didn't feel "massive". Let's hope it is the fundament on which GS can shine now...
(maybe I'm just overhyped but I have a good feeling about a general more complete "feel" of the game I might get with GS - To me Ed saved ciV with BNW - In Ed we trust! :worship:)

I generally don't play that much civ (I play loads and loads of games of varying kinds) and when I first got R&F it felt like very little had changed. Loyalty and ages were there in the background, not really changing that much in how I actively played the game. The governors were a really nice addition but not 30 € nice. I've come to appreciate these mechanics more as I've spent more time in the game though, and that's maybe where the problem lies. Unless you spend a lot of time with the game the impact of loyalty and ages are perhaps not that apparent.

So yeah, I'm really liking what I see in GS, mostly because it seems to add things that will really change how I play the game.
 
Possible qualifier: he seemed to be saying Civilization rather than Civilization VI. That is to say, it's possible he meant work on a spin off or begin efforts on VII.

I believe he meant VI, but who can say?
 
Pete Murray said in today's live stream that he cannot confirm anything, but they plan to support civ VI as long as their is interest for more civ VI.

Just thought I post this in this thread as well :p
They said that with Civ V BNW to but that was the last exp.
 
Possible qualifier: he seemed to be saying Civilization rather than Civilization VI. That is to say, it's possible he meant work on a spin off or begin efforts on VII.

I believe he meant VI, but who can say?

Yeah, he might have just meant that Firaxis is still committed to the civ franchise in general.
 
Pete Murray said in today's live stream that he cannot confirm anything, but they plan to support civ VI as long as their is interest for more civ VI.

Just thought I post this in this thread as well :p

Let’s hope they mean it this time. With the game ported to iOS and Nintendo, there’s more potential audiences trying it out.

I want to be excited about this.
 
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Really ?I thought they withhold it until they sold their stuff... But that's very good news, maybe it's gonna be a funstream on Wednesday and creating even more hype... :D

Pretty sure that was the case. I recall several full on conversion mods, for CIV, released around the time that Warlords came out-like Rhyes & Fall of Civilization & Fall from Heaven. If I am wrong, hopefully somebody here can correct me.
 
Pretty sure that was the case. I recall several full on conversion mods, for CIV, released around the time that Warlords came out-like Rhyes & Fall of Civilization & Fall from Heaven. If I am wrong, hopefully somebody here can correct me.
Civ4 DLL source was released in April 2006, 6 months after the game's release date.
Civ5 DLL source was released in October 2012, 2 years after the game's release date.
Civ6 DLL source is still not released, 2 years and 4 months after the game's release date...

Now look at the number of total conversion mods available for civ4, and the number of total conversion mods available for civ5.

Extrapolate for civ6.
 
Civ4 DLL source was released in April 2006, 6 months after the game's release date.
Civ5 DLL source was released in October 2012, 2 years after the game's release date.
Civ6 DLL source is still not released, 2 years and 4 months after the game's release date...

Now look at the number of total conversion mods available for civ4, and the number of total conversion mods available for civ5.

Extrapolate for civ6.

I concur it makes little sense for them to delay the dll release by this much. I was merely making the point that the delay isn't simply down to Firaxis waiting for *all* their Expansions to release. Some of the BtS scenarios were actually full conversion mods done by the player base, so I think Firaxis might be shooting themselves in the foot a bit.
 
Some people think Firaxis will only release the DLL source just before the final expansion hits and it's not certain if there'll be a 3rd expansion or not. Or Firaxis haven't decided if there will be one but won't release the DLL source yet based on the possibility that there might be one.
 
Some people think Firaxis will only release the DLL source just before the final expansion hits and it's not certain if there'll be a 3rd expansion or not. Or Firaxis haven't decided if there will be one but won't release the DLL source yet based on the possibility that there might be one.

Some people may think that, but the point is that this isn't based on historical evidence.
 
One big reason I suspect (and still hope) for a third expansion to Civ VI is the list of who's missing from the list of Leaders from previous Civ games. If Gathering Storm does indeed end up being the final expansion for Civ VI, then Civ VI will be the first game in the franchise (to my knowledge; I started playing with Civ IV) to not include the likes of Napoleon and Bismarck, among probably others. I mean sure, there've been other French leaders besides Napoleon, other Japanese leaders besides Nobunaga, Roman leaders besides Julius or Augustus Caesar, and on down the line for each Civ, but you'd have to admit these are enormous omissions both historically and from a franchise perspective (on the flip side, let's not even mention the questionable historical accuracy of figures like Gilgamesh and Kupe). That's a lot to sacrifice to satisfy a checklist of Leader Agendas and (as has been suspected by some folks here on the forums) a gender representation quota. A lot of the Leaders in Civ VI simply lack the familiarity or the charisma of the old standbys which have become iconic to both their in-game and real-life civilizations.

I mentioned this in another thread, but when you examine the list of who's still missing from Civ IV and V alone...Napoleon, Nebuchadnezzar, Nobunaga, Kamehameha, Washington/Lincoln, Boudicca, Julius/Augustus Caesar, Bismarck, Pacal, Hiawatha, Wu Zetian, Pocatello (or any other Native American tribe from the Continental United States), etc....one would have to surmise there may well be a heavy militaristic theme to any expansion which would add them. And just as Eleanor brought a new concept...one Leader for multiple Civs...to Gathering Storm, might at least some of these offer a hint at what such a possible expansion's hook might be?

Consider Lincoln's role in American history (opposite Jefferson Davis). Or Nobunaga's efforts toward the military unification of Japan. Or "Roman against Roman" during the conquests of Julius Caesar. The countless conflicts of Dynastic China. Could the third expansion for Civilization VI...if it comes to pass...introduce civil wars and/or the concept of establishing dominance or unification of a specific Civilization between multiple Leaders before one goes on to represent and govern that Civilization on the global stage? Even if this would be a more Scenario-based mechanic, it would be intriguing to say the least.

At any rate, I guess time will tell regarding all of this speculation. I for one would eagerly support additional expansions and content for Civ VI as long as they add something meaningful (oh, and while I'm on the subject, I really hope Firaxis/2K/Aspyr/Take-Two will continue to support Civ VI on the Switch as well; at the very least they should communicate their long-term intentions to those who took a chance on the Switch version).
 
One big reason I suspect (and still hope) for a third expansion to Civ VI is the list of who's missing from the list of Leaders from previous Civ games. If Gathering Storm does indeed end up being the final expansion for Civ VI, then Civ VI will be the first game in the franchise (to my knowledge; I started playing with Civ IV) to not include the likes of Napoleon and Bismarck, among probably others. I mean sure, there've been other French leaders besides Napoleon, other Japanese leaders besides Nobunaga, Roman leaders besides Julius or Augustus Caesar, and on down the line for each Civ, but you'd have to admit these are enormous omissions both historically and from a franchise perspective (on the flip side, let's not even mention the questionable historical accuracy of figures like Gilgamesh and Kupe). That's a lot to sacrifice to satisfy a checklist of Leader Agendas and (as has been suspected by some folks here on the forums) a gender representation quota. A lot of the Leaders in Civ VI simply lack the familiarity or the charisma of the old standbys which have become iconic to both their in-game and real-life civilizations.

I mentioned this in another thread, but when you examine the list of who's still missing from Civ IV and V alone...Napoleon, Nebuchadnezzar, Nobunaga, Kamehameha, Washington/Lincoln, Boudicca, Julius/Augustus Caesar, Bismarck, Pacal, Hiawatha, Wu Zetian, Pocatello (or any other Native American tribe from the Continental United States), etc....one would have to surmise there may well be a heavy militaristic theme to any expansion which would add them. And just as Eleanor brought a new concept...one Leader for multiple Civs...to Gathering Storm, might at least some of these offer a hint at what such a possible expansion's hook might be?

Consider Lincoln's role in American history (opposite Jefferson Davis). Or Nobunaga's efforts toward the military unification of Japan. Or "Roman against Roman" during the conquests of Julius Caesar. The countless conflicts of Dynastic China. Could the third expansion for Civilization VI...if it comes to pass...introduce civil wars and/or the concept of establishing dominance or unification of a specific Civilization between multiple Leaders before one goes on to represent and govern that Civilization on the global stage? Even if this would be a more Scenario-based mechanic, it would be intriguing to say the least.

At any rate, I guess time will tell regarding all of this speculation. I for one would eagerly support additional expansions and content for Civ VI as long as they add something meaningful (oh, and while I'm on the subject, I really hope Firaxis/2K/Aspyr/Take-Two will continue to support Civ VI on the Switch as well; at the very least they should communicate their long-term intentions to those who took a chance on the Switch version).

I agree with your reasoning. I'd also add the fact that they've added a brand new feature-1 leader for 2 civs-& I feel it would be silly not to have an extra expansion to further take advantage of that feature. Its not like there aren't plenty of leaders who fit the bill.
 
Some people may think that, but the point is that this isn't based on historical evidence.

If Civ VI ends up being the first Civ game to have 3 expansions I think it is reasonable that the DLL source could end up being released later than other Civ games, going by when the DLL source was release for Civ V at least.
 
If Civ VI ends up being the first Civ game to have 3 expansions I think it is reasonable that the DLL source could end up being released later than other Civ games, going by when the DLL source was release for Civ V at least.
Unless they learned their lessons from Civ5 ;).
 
If Civ VI ends up being the first Civ game to have 3 expansions I think it is reasonable that the DLL source could end up being released later than other Civ games, going by when the DLL source was release for Civ V at least.
not last, it was released before the 2nd expansion for civ5, and before the 1st for civ4.
 
I'd happily pay $30 a year from now if all they did was use the year to improve AI* (especially tactical), balance game systems, fill in gaps in the roster (Portugal, Ethiopia, etc.), and add some new units and World/Natural Wonders. No new systems really required — I feel like natural disasters, global warming, grievances, strategic resource overhaul, and diplomacy really filled things out.

*Emphasis here. Hire on a few more people solely devoted towards improving this. Get the AI to understand how to properly maneuver its units across the map and bring them to bear against both opposing units and cities.
 
I can’t imagine why. We’ve got Canada in the game now.

We could literally see just about anyone.

Enough already with the Canada bashing... Canada has at least as much, if not a LOT more reasons to be in the game than Australia, for starters...

yes the Civ design is boring, but the Civ deserves to be in there
 
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