History questions not worth their own thread V

[say1988]

Out of curiousity, did churches play a significant role in the movement? I know in Canada, chuch groups (especially non-Anglican protestants, basically the less hierarchical churches) were a core element of the suffrage movment along with other things like labour laws and prohibition.

 

[Plotinus]

Some Christian socialists were supporters of female suffrage, notably Keir Hardie, who was arrested at a female suffrage meeting. But I don't know of institutional support for the movement from the churches.

 

[Domen]

It was discussed in this thread long time ago, but I found very good info when it comes to responding to that question, so let's write about it. We were discussing a question about best-documented / best-described Medieval battles. On one of Polish history forums, I found a post by user Querin in which he posted a list of the results of his research (he was researching in how many sources of the period each battle of the Crusades in the Middle East is described). Here is what he posted (he listed only battles which are described by at least 10 primary sources of the period - according to his research):

#1 Montgisard 1177 - 26 sources

#2 Hattin 1187 - 21 sources

#3 Harenc 1164 - 17 sources

#4 La Forbie 1244 - 15 sources

#5 Sarmada 1119 - 14 sources

#6 Inab 1149 - 11 sources

#7 Harran 1104 - 10 sources

#8 Danith 1115 - 10 sources

So these are 8 best-described / best-documented in primary sources battles of the Crusades in the Middle East.

He also listed these sources of course (and wrote that his list might be not complete):

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=63087&view=findpost&p=1235848

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And this documentary says a lot about kinds of injuries one could suffer in combat during the crusades:


Link to video.

It is about the battle of Jacob's Ford in 1179:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jacob's_Ford

 

[Antilogic]

Okay, something has been bugging me. I am vaguely remembering something from my Greek history class but can't think of the names to google:

What was a Pyrrhic victory called before King Pyrrhus fought in Southern Italy? I seem to recall the professor offhandedly mentioning another bloody victor and saying an incredibly costly victory was a "some-person" victory before King Pyrrhus.

 

[Arakhor]

Croesus of Lydia ("as rich as Croesus") was the man who allegedly asked advice on what would happen if Lydia and the Persians went to war and was told that a great king would die. Naturally enough, it was Croesus himself, rather than the Persian king. Maybe he was the go-to-point for self-fulfilling defeats before Pyrrhus of Epirus.

 

[Wrymouth3]

#2 Hattin 1187 - 21 sources

How many of those sources actually mention the ice water anecdote?

 

[Antilogic]

Croesus of Lydia ("as rich as Croesus") was the man who allegedly asked advice on what would happen if Lydia and the Persians went to war and was told that a great king would die. Naturally enough, it was Croesus himself, rather than the Persian king. Maybe he was the go-to-point for self-fulfilling defeats before Pyrrhus of Epirus.

I remember Croesus and the parenthetical story you mentioned, but I don't think that was it.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Yeah, Croesus sounds like a different story. Unfortunately, I never heard there was anything before Pyrrhus along the same lines.

Interestingly, my spell check recognizes Croesus and it recognizes Pyrrhic, but it doesn't recognize Pyrrhus.

 

[say1988]

Wiki seems to think Cadmean

 

[Dachs]

Yeah, say1988 has it right, it's a Kadmeian victory.

 

[Antilogic]

Thanks! That has been driving me crazy off and on for a week now.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Wow, that's interesting.

 

[sydhe]

Does the name of the pigment Purple of Cassius (i.e colloidal gold) have anything to do with the assassin, or is the name a coincidence?

 

[Bowsling]

I'm pretty sure it was discovered by a Dutchman named Andreas Cassius.

 

[sydhe]

Apparently Glauber discovered it before him. Colloidal gold had been used since ancient times, but apparently not in that specific form.

 

[bombshoo]

Of the historical figures in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, how many could we reasonably expect to have known of each other? Just to make things clear, we have:

Napoleon
Billy the Kid
Socrates
Freud
Genghis Khan
Joan of Arc
Abraham Lincoln
Beethoven

Some are obvious. Socrates, being the earliest, would obviously have not heard of anyone else, while Billy the Kid would obviously know of Lincoln. Napoleon and Beethoven knew of each other, if I remember right. Lincoln would have certainly known about Napoleon and probably Beethoven and Socrates, but I'm not sure on the others.

Anyone have any input on the others?

 

[Dachs]

Everybody except for Chinggis, Jeanne, and possibly Billy the Kid would've known about Sokrates.

 

[bombshoo]

Everybody except for Chinggis, Jeanne, and possibly Billy the Kid would've known about Sokrates.

Do you know if Napoleon would have known of Joan of arc (Jeanne), or Billy the Kid about Napoleon? Was Joan part of the French national mythos the way she is today? Was Napoleon someone a sort of uneducated, rough and tumble American would have known much about?

 

[Antilogic]

Lincoln definitely would have been familiar with the name of Napoleon, if not his extended family tree. I think it was also one of Little Mac's nicknames.

Perhaps Lincoln’s anxiety grew out of some degree of awe. Emperor Napoleon I — the most famous of the Bonapartes, and the prince’s uncle — towered over 19th-century history like a colossus, especially in the minds of Americans, who regarded him with a strange mixture of abhorrence and admiration. Indeed, Lincoln had spoken of Napoleon in his very first significant public address, when he himself was just a 28-year-old Illinoisan with vague ambitions of greatness. “Towering genius distains a beaten path,” he had told an audience of young men at the Springfield, Ill., lyceum, ranking Bonaparte (then dead just 17 years) alongside Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great. Such men had won eternal fame, but they had also turned the free societies of Greece, Rome and France into autocracies.

Yet for millions of ambitious young Americans — as Lincoln himself had been then —the obscure Corsican artilleryman turned emperor remained a role model. Ralph Waldo Emerson hailed Napoleon as the hero of “young, ardent and active men, everywhere,” who had nobly transformed “old, iron-bound feudal France” into “a young Ohio or New York.”

 

[ParkCungHee]

Freud presumably would know about all those people.