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[Light Cleric]

How cute. A purple gun. What every Christian female should carry around to do combat with those who merely think there is a war on women.

Or maybe she's just concerned about all those death threats.

 

[Cutlass]

What's the problem?

She's a terrorist.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Or maybe she's just concerned about all those death threats.

Or maybe they are a figment of her imagination, much like her political views.

 

[Light Cleric]

Also since I never answered, the difference in those pictures is that one of them blew themselves up in a suicide bomb attack years ago and killed 4 people and the other is alive.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Better keep Holly away from "baby killers". She might turn into a terrorist as well.

 

[Farm Boy]

Better keep Holly away from "baby killers". She might turn into a terrorist as well.

Let's see, you have a politically active pro-life Christian that legally owns guns. So naturally she's suspect of terrorism. Now I might not like her political views taken holistically(I'm almost certain to not if she's "mainstream"), but isn't this a bit McCarthyish for you? Or am I just missing humor.

 

[classical_hero]

The difference is what the Books says. The Bible allows you to defend yourself, but not to actively go out and kill someone unless your life is in danger, whereas the Koran explicitly says that it is a Muslim's duty to wage war against the unbelievers.

 

[sophie]

The difference is what the Books says. The Bible allows you to defend yourself, but not to actively go out and kill someone unless your life is in danger, whereas the Koran explicitly says that it is a Muslim's duty to wage war against the unbelievers.

Link to video.

 

[Cutlass]

 

[Formaldehyde]

Let's see, you have a politically active pro-life Christian that legally owns guns. So naturally she's suspect of terrorism. Now I might not like her political views taken holistically(I'm almost certain to not if she's "mainstream"), but isn't this a bit McCarthyish for you? Or am I just missing humor.

You mean you have a far-right Christian nutjob who is making a public fool of herself as she tries to make herself into the next Sarah Palin to get her full 15 minutes of internet infamy.

Is she likely to resort to terrorism like some similarly minded nutjobs? Is she "willing to die" for her beliefs? Granted it is unlikely. But I certainly don't know her well enough to say either way, and neither do you. But she is ironically modeling the very same pose as a terrorist did just before she was "willing to die" for her own wacky religious beliefs.

It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Anti-Abortion Violence: America's Forgotten Terrorism

In addition to the Green Bay firebombing, some other recent examples of anti-abortion violence include:

Madison, Wisconsin, March 2012: A federal grand jury indicted Ralph Lang, 63, on charges of attempting to intimidate by force people participating in a program receiving federal financial assistance, as well as using or carrying a firearm in relation to the alleged crime. According to police, Lang travelled to Madison to threaten to kill people at a local Planned Parenthood clinic; he was arrested after allegedly firing his gun in a motel room while practicing drawing it.

Pensacola, Florida, February 2012: A federal grand jury indicted Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, of Pensacola, Florida, for the alleged arson of a women's health clinic in Pensacola the previous month. Rogers allegedly used a Molotov cocktail (a type of incendiary device) to set the fire.

Madera, California, January 2012: A federal court sentenced Donny Eugene Mower, 38, to five years in prison for having thrown a Molotov cocktail at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Madera in 2010, leaving behind a note that read, in part, "Let's see if you can burn just as well as your victims."

McKinney, Texas, July 2011: A Molotov cocktail was thrown at a Planned Parenthood clinic in north Texas.

Greensboro, North Carolina, March 2011: Justin Carl Moose, 26, received a 30-month federal prison sentence after pleading guilty to distributing information pertaining to the manufacturing and use of an explosive. Moose, who claimed to be part of the radical anti-abortion group Army of God, had described himself as an "extremist radical fundamentalist" who wanted to fight abortion "by any means necessary and at any cost." He had provided bomb-making instructions to an undercover FBI informant whom he thought was going to bomb an abortion clinic.
Wichita, Kansas, April 2010: A federal court sentenced anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder to life in prison on first degree murder and aggravated assault charges for the June 2009 assassination of a Wichita physician who performed abortion procedures.

Plano, Texas, April 2010: FBI agents arrested Erlydon Lo, 27, on charges that he threatened to use deadly force against a women's clinic in Dallas. Lo had filed a document threatening to appear at the facility the next day that said, in part, "if I must use deadly force to defend the innocent life of another human being, I will."
St. Paul, Minnesota, May 2009: Matthew Lee Derosia, 33, received a sentence of time serviced and five years of probation for purposely driving his truck earlier that year into the front of a St. Paul Planned Parenthood clinic on the anniversary of the Supreme Court decision of Roe v. Wade.

Unfortunately, incidents of anti-abortion violence are often excluded from government reports on terrorism in the United States, which can easily help create an impression that it is no longer a problem. On the contrary, anti-abortion violence remains a troubling element of America's domestic terrorism environment.

 

[Farm Boy]

Alright Joseph.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I think you have me confused for yet another well-known far-right Christian nutjob who was more than willing to ruin the lives and even kill innocent people in his religiously-inspired zeal to cleanse the world of those who merely disagree with his wacky views.

But it certainly doesn't surprise me in the least that you wish to jerkishly troll others instead of discuss the topic yet again merely because you also disagree with their views.

 

[JollyRoger]

The difference is what the Books says. The Bible allows you to defend yourself, but not to actively go out and kill someone unless your life is in danger, whereas the Koran explicitly says that it is a Muslim's duty to wage war against the unbelievers.

Is Joshua a book in the Koran?

 

[Light Cleric]

I think you have me confused for yet another well-known far-right Christian nutjob who was more than willing to ruin the lives and even kill innocent people in his religiously-inspired zeal to cleanse the world of those who merely disagree with his wacky views.

But it certainly doesn't surprise me in the least that you wish to jerkishly troll others instead of discuss the topic yet again merely because you also disagree with their views.

Sorry we called you out for mocking a woman getting sexual and death threats. We're such bullies

Then again, maybe that was all a figment of your imagination.

 

[JollyRoger]

Have we determined if they were legitimate threats? If not, she might up pregnant.

 

[Farm Boy]

I think you have me confused for yet another well-known far-right Christian nutjob who was more than willing to ruin the lives and even kill innocent people in his religiously-inspired zeal to cleanse the world of those who merely disagree with his wacky views.

You're being a tad confusing on that score. But yes, I don't think you are advocating having her arrested, so it is an exaggeration.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Sorry we called you out for mocking a woman getting sexual and death threats. We're such bullies

Is there anything you won't believe merely because some far-right Christian nujob claims it is true?

But yes, I don't think you are advocating having her arrested, so it is an exaggeration.

Is that supposed to be some sort of apology for jerkishly trolling me?

 

[onejayhawk]

Sorry we called you out for mocking a woman getting sexual and death threats. We're such bullies

Then again, maybe that was all a figment of your imagination.

You make light of bullying. Not good.

J

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Employers should not be required or even encouraged to provide any sort of health insurance, except perhaps Workers Compensation for health problems caused in the course of the work.

Insurance customers should be able to decide what sort of coverage they consider worth the price.

Forcing someone to pay to be insured for something despite her firm belief that she would never wish to take advantage of that part of her coverage is effectively stealing her wages.

The problem of people being unable to afford insurance is mostly a matter of distribution of wealth, not of health care. The most effective way to deal with this is though an unconditional Basic Income (or better yet a Citizen's Dividend) rather than complex, means tested, bureaucratic, Paternalistic programs.

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Plan B is an abortifactant if the woman does not take it soon enough. It takes time for the sperm to reach the egg in order to fertilize it. How much time can very from a couple of hours to several days, but it is believed that it is very rare for it to take less than 8 hours. That leaves enough time for high dose hormones to prevent conception if taken promptly. If you make the drugs hard to get, then you may cause the woman to take it too late and make it a real abortifactant rather than a mere emergency contraceptive.


Plan B does not have the medical benefits of treating things like Acne or Polycistic Ovarian Syndrome. It does however have great value for preventing Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Hormones influence how the brain records long term memory, particularly memories with strong emotional resonance. Rape victims very often suffer for the rest of their lives from PTSD, which can be debilitating enough to make employment impossible and which can cost a fortune to try to treat. Woman who take a high dose hormonal birth control shortly after a sexual assault (whether or not it is the sort of assault that could result in pregnancy) have a relatively easy time recovering their psychological health.

 

[RobAnybody]

If it actually saved 'them' money, do you think we'd be having this debate? Not really. Their goal is to limp people over the finish-line (Medicare). I mean, they're happy to have maintenance coverage, but it will be vastly over-priced compared to the street value. If it saved them money, they'd do it.

What do you mean 'you people' 'them'?

You mean us insurance companies? Of course check ups save us money. Which is why we cover them for cheap, or even free. You catch something early, it costs 10's or 100's of times less to treat it. The fact is, people want copays. People like copays. They also encourage people to get check ups. Which helps them be healthier & saves us money. Win-win.

Also, we want people to sign up for Medicare Advantage when they hit 65. We do not want to pass people off to Medicare. We don't make money off of Medicare enrollees. We make money off of Medicare Advantage enrollees. That link is medcare.gov's information on Medicare Advantage, so it's not information from us insurance companies. It's the government letting you compare Medicare & Medicare Advantage.

This is one reason why healthcare in the States is so expensive (as a portion of GDP), people are using insurance plans to cover a great number of their expenses. It's the same reason why car repair (aesthetic) costs have sky-rocketed, because so many people are getting repairs done through some insurance plan.

No, that's not one of the reasons. That actually lowers costs for health insurance. Which is why many companies had already covered preventive coverage at 100% even before the ACA.

It's not analogous to covering oil changes. Worst case, you don't get your oil changed, your car dies on the highway, you get it towed, you get it fixed or get a new car. At a great expense, sure, but eventually you're driving again. You skip check ups for a decade, you get a heart attack, you die. You can't buy an extra life. This isn't Contra. Up-up-down-down-left-r...aaaaargg.

The whole part about this that I don't get ... isn't birth control something like $15 per month?

Seriously. Isn't the cost of getting your kids vaccinated something like a one-time $150 cost? Cheap parents, wanting stuff covered. smh.