homeyg01, SID

[soul_warrior]

too bad ugly started on the GL.

means that if he gets it and not us, we need go get it.

so, starting on a few raxs, and planning a sword rush is a good idea.

i dont plan on giving up if we miss the GL.
ill go down fighting cursing with my last breath...
oops, right sentence, wrong thread...

 

[choxorn]

lurker's comment: If you have the money, maybe you should buy literature. It might let you get the GL!

 

[soul_warrior]

lurker's comment: If you have the money, maybe you should buy literature. It might let you get the GL!

good idea!
should have thought about it myself.

is it possible?

 

[Tribute]

Yeah, luck is really what you need; now all the AI, basically, 'have' literature since they trade it away without care. So 7 AI 'building' the GL against what you have now. Good luck.

 

[ThERat]

doesn't help us at all as we have to complete the GL first and it's palace prebuild + 100 shields. i can't see how buying lit should help here?

 

[vmxa]

Lurker:

No buying it is not useful as you already are building it. It would only help if you were to finsih the build before your projected learning of Lit.

The problem is that they need 160 shields while you need 400, if the price is 400. So basically you must be making twice the shields they are or get a big enough head start.

As ThERat points out, the best way to do that is to get it timed right and add workers into the city. You then have a chance to do nearly twice the shields they will.

You still have to face the problem that some cascade will occur. I don't know if that is hanging over your head here or not. I like to check on what wonders are being worked on, to see if they will finish before the AI get Lit.

That is not going to be the case as they already have it, or at least the Mongols have it. I forget if you are on contients or pangea, it is pretty much a lost cause to try to beat them to it on pangea with full civs. They just get those contacts so fast and roar throught AA techs.

 

[choxorn]

How much spt is Edrine making? If there's 100 shields left, and there's high enough spt to finish before any AI wonders or the GL complete, you might get a chance.

 

[Tribute]

Doesn't where the AI chose to build the GLib matter most? And if you can't beat them, (check with embassy) then you'll have to seize it and hold it for only 1 turn.

It couldn't be too hard after amassing catapults, spears, and archers. (against pikes and meds)

 

[vmxa]

Doesn't where the AI chose to build the GLib matter most? And if you can't beat them, (check with embassy) then you'll have to seize it and hold it for only 1 turn.

It couldn't be too hard after amassing catapults, spears, and archers. (against pikes and meds)

Lurker:

Yes and No. It sort of matters, but only if they do not switch cities and I have seen that a few times on Sid. I was crusing along and knew they were building a wonder in a very poor town and then all of a sudden it is going up in the capitol.

As to not being too hard, all assaults are hard on Sid. First you need to know where the wonder city is located and then get to it and then defeat it and finally hold it a turn.

Right now you do not even know what civ will have the GLB. It could end up some civ you have yet to met will finsih first, then what? If you survive long enough to take it from a far away place, you probably don't really need it.

 

[homeyg]

doesn't help us at all as we have to complete the GL first and it's palace prebuild + 100 shields. i can't see how buying lit should help here?

It won't...

choxorn, two turns will not make a difference when it comes to 100 shields.

 

[homeyg]

Also note the cities, all of the civs except for the Dutch have reached the MA, so we are pretty far behind. If we get the GL and they have researched Education already, that's as far as that will take us.

 

[homeyg]

As to not being too hard, all assaults are hard on Sid. First you need to know where the wonder city is located and then get to it and then defeat it and finally hold it a turn.

This is just from personal experience, but taking a major city on SID is pretty much the hardest thing you will do in your life, especially if you have out dated units (at least we do have swords, though).

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[Ansar]

lurker's comment: Sword rush + MA with Dutch? It could work...

 

[choxorn]

@homeyg: I was talking about would that cause any wasted shields.
@Ansar: It might, but the dutch might take the GL city. Plus, they might build the GL, in which case you would have to ally with the Mongols or Zulu.

 

[homeyg]

@homeyg: I was talking about would that cause any wasted shields.

Wastage isn't really an issue in this situation, once we get Literature, we are changing to the GL whether we get Literature early or not, and we still have quite a bit of shields to go for the GL.

 

[choxorn]

Okay then forget it. But you now need to make a plan for if you don't get the GLB.

 

[ThERat]

Okay then forget it. But you now need to make a plan for if you don't get the GLB.

we will get a slightly expensive library there
but we have no choice but to take on Mongols to get rid of that culture threat and later capture the GL, if we would be lucky and it get's built on our continent.

by the way, the 2nd continent is ridiculously close as we can see from the borders in the south.
maybe that is another reason for the super fast tech speed...

 

[sanabas]

lurker's comment: Looking at that last screenie, Edrine and Uskudar are both fliprisks, which could really stuff up your prebuild, Iznik is a huge fliprisk, and also hugely increasing the chance of invasion. Founding a city 2 tiles from a Sid AI city is asking to be attacked. I'm very surprised the mongols haven't declared on you yet, they might be at war with someone else.

 

[classical_hero]

Preturn. Not much. I envision a war with the Mongols will be a good thing for us once we get some swords because they lack Iron and if we get going we can do some damage.

Turn 1. Bursa builds barracks.

IBT. We give the Dutch 15 Gold since they demanded it.

Turn 2. Not much just moving some workers around.

IBT. Not much.

Turn 3. Istanbul builds barracks.

IBT. This happens.


I will finish here just to see what everyone else thinks, because we are very much in a deep hole and might not get out it. If we do play on, then I will play the rest of the saves since it is my rest of the set.

 

[soul_warrior]

we are royally Phooked.

last seen map doesnt show babs anywhere near us,
probaly off the landmass somewhere.

we could try and fight on till were dead in the water.
just to se how long we can last.