AndyTerry
Russian Bear
warpus
Gay cops? I can't even imagine
Gay cops? I can't even imagine
Homophobia in Russia
- Thread starter ComradeDavo
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Seeing that Russia's a conservative country, I can understand them not wanting to allow their society to be liberalized. I still like Russia though. (My co-worker and Supervisors are Russian. My supervisor likes to say he's from the Soviet Union. - They're both Ukrainian actually).
- They're both Ukrainian actually).AndyTerry
Russian Bear
I can't remember word in English... It's when the state counts all people in the country... So they should tell their religion when it happens.
From Russia, but not Russian I guess. You must be jew. So you can't understand us too!
Leha
ooseepoosee
AndyTerry said:From Russia, but not Russian I guess. You must be jew. So you can't understand us too!
How nice. So you are proud noone can understand you?
AndyTerry
Russian Bear
It's unliberalizable I guessChieftess said:
Even events of 1991-1993 were a giant step for the society. Maybe even too giant.AndyTerry
Russian Bear
Leha
I don't proud, but it's so.
I don't proud, but it's so.
Leha
ooseepoosee
AndyTerry said:
OK
Nevermind
Till
Adventurer
Well at least the Major is upfront about his reasons for banning the protest:
Over here most large cities are more liberal than the rural areas. Is the same true in Russia?BBC said:
AndyTerry said:
It's called a census. Yep.
Listen. I have no problem about you having controversy about homosexuals. I happen to be against it, BTW. What does concern me though, is that the Mayor has imposed his personal beliefs in such a way to suppress two protests by people with legitimate greviances.
@garric: So, who is democracy for, then?
Hamlet
Manic Depressive
Till said:
That's true the world over, and has been since the year dot.
What do you mean "out here"?Till said:
The reason that large cities are more liberal than rural areas is because cities hold a large amount of unskilled workers and/or immigrants, is a place to provide jobs to many minorities. This is why they are liberal in the United States.
However, in Russia, the two main cities, St. Petersburg and Moscow, are large metropolises, holding all kinds of people. Rural settlements in an American sense are largely nonexistant. Villages are in almost near poverty levels, grow their own food, etc, they have better things to worry about than gay pride marches. Again, you can not look at Russia with a strictly Western eye. Also, in Russia there is no such thing as "liberal" or "conservative".
Not exactly...Hamlet said:
nonconformist
Miserable
Give Russia a hundred years.
nonconformist
Miserable
Like Tiananmen, right?garric said:
Here we go, another liberal equating something with Communism/Nazism. Can you just stop this crude tactic? This has nothing to do with Tiananmen. What are you going to say next? That Russias "intolerance" is the same as the Nazis killing the Jews? Oh wait that's already been said earlier, my bad.nonconformist said:
aussieboy said:
There was nothing illegal about those marches. And they were for a cause that is admirable. Don't try to equate gay rights with the civil rights marches, you are only offending African Americans and you're not helping your cause either way.
Hamlet
Manic Depressive
garric said:
Pretty much, actually. As a random example, take a look at the areas of greatest counter-revolutionary support, and the areas of the greatest number of clerics declining to sign up the civil constitution of the clergy during the French revolution, and the areas of greatest support for the French right-wing today; they're practically contiguous.
garric said:
That's ambiguous, based on the report.
It's interesting to speculate what some people's reactions would be if, say, the Chinese police had banned a protest by a Beijing Catholic group on the exact same grounds - I'd bet anything we wouldn't see this same argument of obsessive legalism that we are here.
nonconformist
Miserable
Well, the Tiananment protests were illegal too.garric said:
The fact is, a government can brandanything as illegal, and one day, you can find yourself in no man's land.
(Anyway, I thought all Liberals were communists
)Yes, they were illegal. However, these people were fighting for freedom from Communism, and they were shot down by the state with tanks and machineguns.nonconformist said:Well, the Tiananment protests were illegal too.
The fact is, a government can brandanything as illegal, and one day, you can find yourself in no man's land.
(Anyway, I thought all Liberals were communists
Are you somehow trying to imply that fighting against Communism hold the same weight as fighting for gay rights? If you really do believe that I can no longer help you. And last time I checked, this "protest" didn't have the Russian army coming in and killing innocent people, did it?
BTW, not all liberals are Communists. They just think they are, or they just support it. However, this doesn't stop them from taking negative aspects of Communism and somehow applying them in use against conservative ideas.
