How do YOU measure quality of life?

we know for a fact that consistent exposure to high levels of stress will literally make people fragile and depressed. there is scientific consensus on that.

I agree you might precept me as I'm advocating stressors in whatever form and quantity as an absolute boost of strength, but that's not my stance, and I agreed with the bold statement in your reply, like absolutely.

Highly intense/insane pressure and stress would break (nearly all) people, and I defined stressors in a much wider form: challenges in game are stressors, hunger are stressors, devoid of anything that makes you feel discomfort are basically stressors, while receiving and gaining the relieve after that, those results in content, so it's natural if we seek contentment through stressors. Eating while you are hungry after a long fasting, able to accomplish yourselves after a frustration through Sekiro play-through, those give you feeling of contentment and pleasure, because the relieve after stressors effect. Avoiding any kind of stressors in life (as a result of past trauma or other lighter reasons) also mean avoiding any kind of future contentment that you might have if you go pass through it.

(so not surprised Narz shows this position, but I am surprised you did).

Agree with you with many things, also with Narz, and here I think again, I agree with Narz.

tell that to a child factory slave worker, or someone who was forced into prostitution. no, for some people life is just pain. for some people there is no ease after hardship. I don't want to be an ass to you, but it seems this is just some fairy-tale version of fate.

I agree but that example, or other example like losing your love one, suffering an abused, rape, or any kind of pressure that the quantity are too much for most of us to handle (relatively), are not the things that I talk or pointed about here.
 
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That's a great list.

*****

Less stress, lots of choices and capability to share.


Here's the list for those who didn't click the link with my thoughts added:

Worriless sleeping
Clear conscience
Reciprocal gratitude
Absence of envy
Muscle strength -Not much to say about the first 5, I think everyone would like those things
Frequent laughs -Eh I'm not always in the mood to laugh. For example I like dramas more than comedies. I like intellectual discussions more than jokes sometimes.
No meals alone -I love the peace and quiet of eating alone, especially reading or listening to a podcast while dining so vehemently disagree.
No gym classes -what? why? Working out is fun, also how do you get muscle strength without? The reason most people hate gym class is lack of time
Good digestive functions -well uh duh
No meeting rooms -Again I'm kinda eehhh not so sure buddy. Covid 19 quarantines has made me kind of miss in person meetings vs call stuff and some meetings are really productive
Periodic surprises -I hate surprises
Foamy coffee -Coffee gives me acid reflux which I guess 3 above could fix
Crusty bread -Well duh. Unless you have celiac disease
Ability to nap -I actually hate naps, well I like naps, but I hate the way I feel after, all lethargic.
Access to a hammock -Maybe? But sometimes it's too hot outside
 
This is a more correct interpretation of stress than Narzs. indeed the fight and flight response used to be the main driving force behind stress. today that is not really true, however.

Unfortunately, well fortunately back then, we evolved to survive and a lot of those survival instincts or biological responses are still with us today even though they rarely apply and make our life more difficult. Over eating, craving sweet and salty food, obviously a long time ago humans didn't have access to an over abundance of calories so those biological factors made them seek calorie dense foods. Today it ends up being an impediment. The biological impulse to reproduce, well with modern birth control this isn't really an impediment. But you could say even the way we make up our family and social systems. Does it make the most sense in a modern society? Yet our brains are kind of hard wired to form groups, compete with each other for resources even though we have plenty for all now, and form these family units that in the end might just tie us down.

Quality of life for me is basically time. Do I have time to do the things I want to do. Unfortunately I do not right now, job, wife, young children and all. So I'm just trying to enjoy the journey and I'll have time later.
 
I don't quite understand the desire to romanticize severe stress. I guess it's a good thing if someone's in a position to romanticize it instead of suffer it, but it's just strange to me. Is that how you cope with the knowledge that it exists and could one day be your own life? That it would serve some purpose and you'd rise above the waves, persevering and succeeding?

I suppose it makes sense to believe you'd be the exception, the one to suffer some great long-term ordeal and be all the better for it, going down in history as a result. Doesn't really parse for me personally, but maybe it isn't so different from imagining winning the lottery, which I do.
 
@Synsensa I never celebrate huge hardship. I don't want you to misunderstand me lets approach it in a different way: If you don't believe in my POW, just see me as someone who trying to give meaning to human suffering for my own personal problem and point of view, I'm trying to give that sweet cake with lots of fruit and cream at the end of the road that is full of trial, thinking about sweet cake makes people able to go through impossible condition, so I put another "sweet cake" for myself. And we might know what we face now or in the past, but you never know what we going to face in the future, and perspective for me is important. No matter how bad thing is, there should always be hope.
 
It depends on how severe the stress is.
Stress is also a component of excitement.
You for sure will experience some stress during sky diving, driving a formula 1 car, or going on a date.
I'm sure you don't want to miss that part.
 
It depends on how severe the stress is.
Stress is also a component of excitement.
You for sure will experience some stress during sky diving, driving a formula 1 car, or going on a date.
I'm sure you don't want to miss that part.

I know I already illustrated that also.

challenges in game are stressors

able to accomplish yourselves after a frustration through Sekiro play-through, those give you feeling of contentment and pleasure, because the relieve after stressors effect.
 
Like I can tolerate the fact that I suffered some amount of pain whenever I get up, or whenever I lifted up something, or by the fact that I cannot do the sport that I like and I cannot build muscle as I love to and other things like that that usually makes me happy and healthy, but I can live and happy without all of that.

But I don't know if I can tolerate it if I end up just laying down on my bed unable even to sit down. I think again, if that scenario ever happened, being grateful for what I have, not for what I don't have still able to make me pull through even through that, and it may sound bit egoistical, but looking at someone who suffered worst than you and they can go through it better than you also makes you feel motivated. In this case, it's look like a stressors without relieve, a hardship without ease, or perhaps even behind the lack of basic health and behind the constant suffering from that, there is a relieve? I believe there should be, but I just cannot pointed it out where it's yet.
That's why peace of mind is the ultimate power. Eventually our power & vitality fade away and all we have left is our ability to enjoy whatever we have.

Quality relationships help too, hopefully when we're old & feeble we have people willing to take care of us.

sorry but it seems you don't really understand stress as a phenomenon or what drives it.
Don't stress yourself out bro. :)


just as an easy example of a physiological misunderstanding: working out does not cause stress. working out causes muscle strain, which is completely different and has nothing to do with stress. working out is empirically proven to be a way to reduce stress.
Working out is stressful on the body, a good workout provides just the right about of physical and mental stress/strain and your body and brain overcompensate to meet it which is why its healthy.

the same goes for your example of challenging work. challenging work does not in itself create stress. in fact, stress only occurs when the person in question thinks the challenge is too much, unsurmountable, when there is a negative psychological backlash. challenge does not inherently cause stress.
Sounds like you don't understand what stress is :

"Stress is a feeling of emotional or physical tension. It can come from any event or thought that makes you feel frustrated, angry, or nervous. Stress is your body's reaction to a challenge or demand. In short bursts, stress can be positive, such as when it helps you avoid danger or meet a deadline."

Stress in small amounts is good, in large amounts its bad.

lastly, you misrepresent the psychological phenomenon of flow. flow has absolutely nothing to do with stress and everything to do with challenge, skill, and continuously setting goals to activate the reward center of your brain. read some Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi if you are interested, he coined the phenomenon.
Bro I read that book nearly 20 years ago.

You should reread it. An activity that causes zero stress is unlikely to produce flow.

sex usually does not involve stress
Sexual arousal is form of stress. Without sexual tension good sex is unlikely.

When I'm on drugs that make it very difficult to experience stress/tension I cannot perform sexually, something about the reward center of the brain probably, when it's already flooded with good chemicals it's hard to seek out pleasure because it is already there. No tension = no motivation for high-reward behavior.

Maybe it's possible to live in that place forever without the need for tension as motivation, maybe someone who's reached full awakening can do it.*

Regardless, being pathologically against stress is a wrong approach. Even if you view it as unequivocally bad you still have to face it and be able to weather it to surpass it.

neither does eating good food.
Eating is fun, not really a peak experience tho. Even with food without the stress of hunger there is no appetite. Eating feels good because you're solving a problem.

yeah, sorry, but your post is kind of bollocks. not scientifically right and not right in any other way, either.
:cheers:


*this guy who I've been hooked on listening to, Gary Weber, talks about how once he reached a state where his default mode network basically quieted for good his sex drive dropped dramatically, so maybe being enlightened is like being on mdma, very equinimitous and you can act but seeking behaviors (for pleasure, status, power, etc) lose much of their pull.
 
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Huh... I go for a couple days and this is what I get into? :lol:

I find stress to be incredibly, well, stressful. And in no sense positive. There is no joy in worrying about my future, or problems with my job, or relationships, or anything really. The upsides of neurosis? I’m not seeing them.

Anyway, I’ll define my “quality of life” outside those parameters I defined earlier like GDP/capita, health, education, etc. that make up the bulk of these statistics. I’m not trying to dismiss their importance or poo-poo them as indicators because I think the methodology is generally sound for making generalizations nonspecific to individuals; on those above metrics it would not be unreasonable to assume the vast majority of us would choose New York over Mogadishu or the Scottish Highlands over Tibet.

Quality of Life Indicators
(In no specific order)
By amadeus, PhD, MBE, QED, BNSF

Walkability. I like walking to get around. I average about 9km per day according to my phone. Here in Japan, I can walk to most places I need to get to outside of work. Where I grew up, I was either too far from everything, or the weather was unfavorable, or my sense of public safety just didn’t allow it.

Variety. Within limitations. I can eat the same thing or wear the same outfit or that for days or weeks but when I want to change something I like to have the option available. If I’m stuck shopping at the same grocery store or picking up food from the same restaurant all the time it does get on my nerves.

Aesthetics. I value things that look nice over quantity or quality. As an example, I have an old clock radio that I use that I found antiquing. It does not have the same functions or convenience as newer models, but I don’t care since that’s not my value system. I have a neighbor that extolled the virtues of every modern convenience: automated lights, food processors with timers, whatever. Everything had to be new! The best! Amazing! I see it as just frustration waiting to happen. I’ll take a hit on convenience for peace of mind.

Those are just a few general things off the top of my head. I guess when I had started this thread maybe I had more specific ideas? But once I got started trying to write them I just ended up more abstract than I had originally anticipated. :confused:
 
I found the difference between harnessed faith and anxiety to be a matter of focus and aim. One gives me immense inner tranquility and purpose and happiness and the other is a nightmare. I believe both fires to be the of the same fundamental chemistry.
 
Burlington Northern Santa Fe railroad? Riding trains to relieve stress?
I just needed an extra title, though now thinking about it I feel like playing Transport Tycoon (OpenTTD, of course!)

I just can’t figure out how people get the signaling right on these things. Man, is that difficult...
 
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