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How do you see Genghis Khan?

Discussion in 'World History' started by TopGearFanatic, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    People need to be careful when reading accounts that were written by the Mongols' enemies. You need to take some of these stories with a large serving of salt.

    Just look at some of the stories about Vlad Țepeș (aka Vlad III the impaler) for example. A lot of exaggeration and outright lying. Impaling mice in prison indeed. :rolleyes:

    Here is another conqueror who has been literally demonized down through the ages. Especially by the Germans and German settlers as well as the Turks.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler
     
  2. Phrossack

    Phrossack Armored Fish and Armored Men

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    That's a pretty extreme claim, don't you think? A lot of the records of Mongol brutality were written by their enemies, as mentioned above. And the libraries of Baghdad were destroyed by Hulegu, Chinggis Khan's notoriously brutal grandson, not Chinggis Khan himself. And while the Mongols probably destroyed a lot of irrigation systems, they also actively opened up trade, which would've helped repair things.
     
  3. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    You were around in the 12th century? :mischief:
     
  4. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    You figured out the secret to my history knowledge! :eek:
     
  5. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    I'm 98% sure that you're joking. :huh:
     
  6. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    I don't think one can discount the claims against him simply because they were made by his enemies. At some point, when lots of sources start claiming he's exceptionally cruel, some credibility starts attaching to their claims. Maybe he was in the range of accepted cruelty of the time, but I don't think he was in the middle of the pack.
     
  7. TopGearFanatic

    TopGearFanatic Duke of St. Louis

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    Aren't a lot of our sources about Hannibal from Romans?
     
  8. Thormodr

    Thormodr Servant of Civ Supporter

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    I am not saying he was a saint by any means but he was no more cruel than other rulers of his day and age. Demonizing your enemy is the oldest trick in the book.

    Anyway, I quite enjoyed this book Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World by Jack Weatherford. It's a good read with a different viewpoint.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan_and_the_Making_of_the_Modern_World
     
  9. Joecoolyo

    Joecoolyo 99% Lightspeed

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    Jack Weatherford is just a tad too sympathetic to Genghis Khan and the Mongols, even I noticed that when I read his book.
     
  10. ParkCungHee

    ParkCungHee Chieftain

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    But you've provided no evidence of this other then that it sounds nice and cautious.
    Indeed, so should we assume all those who have only been written about by their enemies have been much maligned, and we can safely assume that they were much better then they were described?
    Because that would still place Genghis outside the pale of conduct for his era, because of the hundreds of saintly soldiers and kings who went about without any ill attributed to them.
     
  11. Lord Baal

    Lord Baal Chieftain

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    What you don't know is that Dachs drives a DeLorean.
     
  12. madviking

    madviking north american scum

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    Dachs is special. He's secretly an elf. He was born two thousand years ago and has been growing younger ever since.
     
  13. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Wow, madviking, referential humor that only two people on this forum would understand. Dayyyyyyum
     
  14. ParkCungHee

    ParkCungHee Chieftain

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    That's the reason I resisted the temptation to say you've been plaguing Alan Scott for the last 60 years.
     
  15. SeekTruthFromFacts

    SeekTruthFromFacts Chieftain

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    I'm surprised by this. I thought that this was the era of chinoiserie? I haven't read the play that Weatherford mentions, but no-one reading Candide should mistake it for an accurate portrayal of other civilizations.
     
  16. madviking

    madviking north american scum

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    UP TOP! :D

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  17. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    in my opinion:

    1) he managed to create the largest empire in the world.

    2) he was the first to unite mongolia.

    3) he had religion freedom and a safe empire.

    4) he didnt kill anyone in the citys that didnt resist.

    Of course he killed many people and he was very brutal.

    As a general he is a hero.
    As a man he is a barbarian.
     
  18. LightSpectra

    LightSpectra me autem minui

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    I thought it's because badgers are earth benders, and therefore have immortal souls or something.
     
  19. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    He was pretty boss. Like most insane, powerhungry conquerors, I admire his work.
     
  20. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    Firelord Ozai? :confused:
     

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