How highly do you rate the moderators?

How good are the moderators?

  • Very Good

    Votes: 24 22.9%
  • Good

    Votes: 48 45.7%
  • Average

    Votes: 15 14.3%
  • Poor

    Votes: 7 6.7%
  • Very Poor

    Votes: 11 10.5%

  • Total voters
    105
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Define "civilized".

It isn't all that well defined, hence the problem. I think the mods should loosen up a bit, but not too much, we don't want to see "You're an idiot," "No you are" dominate conversation.

Here it means discourse within the bounds set by the forum rules and as interpreted by the mods and admins.

I bolded the part I consider to be a problem. While I acknowledge some things have to be up for interpretation, what constitutes flaming and spam should be clearly expressed in the rules.
 
I bolded the part I consider to be a problem. While I acknowledge some things have to be up for interpretation, what constitutes flaming and spam should be clearly expressed in the rules.
There are people involved in CFC and some are very smart and clever. there is no way to define what spam, trolling and flaming are such that the definitions are both consistent and comprehensive. It is like trying to define poetry or music. The minute you think you have it nailed down, some creative person finds a way to say it such that the rules as stated no longer apply.

Rules lawyers always want everything spelled out in great detail so they can find the loopholes and the exceptions or claim that what they did wasn't mentioned in the rules. CFC doesn't work that way (and neither does life in general). You have to understand the principles involved and then fit the details into those such that you don't violate them. The principles here are quite clear and if you cannot figure out how to fit your posts into that framework, then this is probably not the place for you.

If someone don't know what it means to:
be nice
be kind
Engage in civil discussions
Don't name call
Don't swear
Don't try to incite or provoke others
Don't post inappropriate content

Then, frankly, they should just go away. It is not very hard really. There are just some of you who don't care enough to make the effort or who feel that they should be allowed exemptions.
 
Yes and the same applies to posters. If you guys all followed the rules we wouldn't be inconsistent in our moderating. ;)
 
I'm talking about changing a bad one.
Which one? This one?

Personally I think moderators should allow criticism of their actions. Right now mods take criticism about the way a fascist takes criticism. (IE they don't allow it.)

They do allow criticism - just not in public. That was tried before, and failed. Moderators are accountable for their actions, partly to the people on the receiving end, and completely to the admins. Ask the moderator for their reasoning, and if you're not happy with the response, then ask the admins.

Some people recognize that the moderators action was reasonable. Some will argue that black is white. Some have valid concerns, some don't. But they all get a hearing. Allowing those discussions in public just undermines the moderators, because people who, as you note, "(don't) believe in the absolute authority of anyone else over him" just dog-pile in on the discussion. Its not objective, and its not helpful.

Would you want to be a moderator knowing that anytime you do anything there will be a number of people moaning and whinging about it?
 
Yes and the same applies to posters. If you guys all followed the rules we wouldn't be inconsistent in our moderating. ;)

Some moderators already are consistent. The inconsistent moderators aren't even consistent with their own actions, let alone those of the rest of the moderators. Also, on the whole, my posts are consistent.
 
I don't hear from or about them very often, so that's usually a good sign.

They also let me forget to worry about my signature length. That's what about 98% of my warnings are about, the sig is too big.

Would you want to be a moderator knowing that anytime you do anything there will be a number of people moaning and whinging about it?

Well, I wouldn't mind so long as the "Delete Post" button was always an option :p
 
"You are an idiot" is obviously flaming. "Your post is idiotic" is according to you, and understandably considered flaming but unclear as to whether it is. "That is an assumption made in ignorance because..." I see no reason why would be flaming, but maybe some picky mods would consider it to be so. It just isn't plain in the forum rules.

Why do you need to say a post is idiotic. There are other ways to express you have a different opinion. Just say something like:

I don't agree with your post because.....
Or I don't see it that way because.....

Saying something like idiotic or stupid post etc. can make the other poster angry.
And always explain why you have an other opinion.....
 
Some moderators already are consistent. The inconsistent moderators aren't even consistent with their own actions, let alone those of the rest of the moderators. Also, on the whole, my posts are consistent.

Consistently bad. :mischief:
 
I appreciate that the moderators often react quite swiftly and that they take the effort to merge threads or delete posts when necessary. These things isn't really necessary to enforce rules and on other forums a moderator would only bother to give a warning/infraction. It helps keeping the forum tidy and easier to read though.

I have little experience of direct interaction with a moderator so can't say anything about that part :spank:.

I'd say it's the rules that makes CFC better than other forums though.
 
Actually, it does. The more the rules are followed, the less moderating the moderators need to do, and thus more consistency is achieved.

If I consistently break the rules, me being consistent doesn't give the moderators less work. Also, different posters get completely different interpretations of the rules. Most of the times I've been banned it's been because I've posted something that other people would get away with, and I've seen other people get away with it, but when I post it it's suddenly not ok anymore..

:lol:
 
I generally feel the standard of moderation is good; most moderators are consistant, and work behind the scenes. The best don't even really infract, but delete posts which are spammy/against the rules, which will normally encourage people to buck up.

However, recently I feel there is too much poor moderation; certain moderators are infracting over-emotionally, or too heavy-handed, takng what has for years been recognised as borderline and constructive, and infracting it.
 
If I consistently break the rules, me being consistent doesn't give the moderators less work.
This is true. But if you consistently follow the rules, the moderators would consistently have less work, and therefore fewer inconsistent interpretations of rules.
 
If you have enough people breaking the rules in spite of efforts by the moderators to ensure otherwise, perhaps it's time to consider that the rules and not the posters may be in need of reform...
 
This is true. But if you consistently follow the rules, the moderators would consistently have less work, and therefore fewer inconsistent interpretations of rules.

That's irrelevant. Moderators ought to perform their job well regardless of how well behaved the community is.
 
There are people involved in CFC and some are very smart and clever. there is no way to define what spam, trolling and flaming are such that the definitions are both consistent and comprehensive. It is like trying to define poetry or music. The minute you think you have it nailed down, some creative person finds a way to say it such that the rules as stated no longer apply.

Rules lawyers always want everything spelled out in great detail so they can find the loopholes and the exceptions or claim that what they did wasn't mentioned in the rules. CFC doesn't work that way (and neither does life in general). You have to understand the principles involved and then fit the details into those such that you don't violate them. The principles here are quite clear and if you cannot figure out how to fit your posts into that framework, then this is probably not the place for you.

If someone don't know what it means to:
be nice
be kind
Engage in civil discussions
Don't name call
Don't swear
Don't try to incite or provoke others
Don't post inappropriate content

Then, frankly, they should just go away. It is not very hard really. There are just some of you who don't care enough to make the effort or who feel that they should be allowed exemptions.

Actually, it sometimes is when people troll you, but that's also not the issue. For instance, one time I called an action someone's character was considering taking in a Forum Game ********, and I got two points (This is not PDMA as I did not name either the moderator in question or the post in question, I simply stated this happened...) which, how is flaming I do not know, but its definitely not clear.

Why do you need to say a post is idiotic. There are other ways to express you have a different opinion. Just say something like:

I don't agree with your post because.....
Or I don't see it that way because.....

Saying something like idiotic or stupid post etc. can make the other poster angry.
And always explain why you have an other opinion.....

It seems that since people that seld-identify as Christians seem to murder their kids at higher rates than people that self-identify as gay, that gays should be given an adoption preference over Christians. In fact, gays should be able to select the kids they want to adopt from among the kids of Christians.

When people make posts like this and don't get infractions (Thank you Birdjaguar for finally getting to it. It was not infracted when I responded to it.) You (The mods) need to either

1. Infract such posts as soon as they are reported

2. Let people flame them, its what they deserve.

And note, its not because I disagree with his opinions. For instance, I think one of Birdjaguar's ideas about a wealth cap was a terrible idea I strongly disagree with, but he genuinely held that position, and wanted to generate a discussion. I gave a civil answer. If I didn't, an infraction would have been fair.

Not so with posts that are obviously trolling. Its not as easy as it sounds, and how do you civily reply to a sarcastic post like that? (Or his other 10,000 sarcastic posts in OT.)

Also Note: I purposely did not name the user that posted the quoted post above to avoid flaming them, I also did not provide a link to the post, as this is simply for general discussion, and to make a general point I used a specific example as anonymous as possible.
 
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