A self-defense pact
How is everything not collapsing in the US?
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A self-defense pact
Historically speaking, most of invaders did.
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russia practically always behind tech / nukes
1940s too much damaged , but can possibly cross the Rhein . Will be nuked for years .
1950s minimum improvement in economy . Possibly will cross the Rhein . Will be nuked for days . lke knows he can't fight a guided weapons war yet , because the tech isn't there .
1960s Russians can finally nuke America . Kennedy Administration thinks it has real tech superiority . Also unhappy that they are like not fully benefitting from the dissolution of the European colonial empires . Russians might not be able to cross the Rhein , because with so many nukes Rhein can boil away or start flowing in a different direction .
1970s American bankruptcy through Vietnam though they are quite into guided weapons warfare . Russians might cross the Rhein , because they are examining all sorts of options , Spetsnaz to tactical nukes to all sorts of biological and chemical stuff .
1980s American tech superiority widens . Russian designers always have compatible chips but can not produce them in any possible economical scale . Times when the full spec Russkie thing reaches a peak , Communist China expects a full scale Russian invasion in 1985 , because Flanker/Fulcrum/Foxhound/"Firefox" combination will totally intercept any Chinese strategic nuclear attack and then conduct guided weapons warfare , you know like Desert Storm but into Beijing and like a decade before . Russians might still cross the Rhein , but do not be fooled by stuff . America will go nuclear at any moment they understand they are not the Chosen People of god . To burn the whole world down .
stuff , stuff
2020s . lt's not the Russians who will cross the Rhein .
1940s too much damaged , but can possibly cross the Rhein . Will be nuked for years .
1950s minimum improvement in economy . Possibly will cross the Rhein . Will be nuked for days . lke knows he can't fight a guided weapons war yet , because the tech isn't there .
1960s Russians can finally nuke America . Kennedy Administration thinks it has real tech superiority . Also unhappy that they are like not fully benefitting from the dissolution of the European colonial empires . Russians might not be able to cross the Rhein , because with so many nukes Rhein can boil away or start flowing in a different direction .
1970s American bankruptcy through Vietnam though they are quite into guided weapons warfare . Russians might cross the Rhein , because they are examining all sorts of options , Spetsnaz to tactical nukes to all sorts of biological and chemical stuff .
1980s American tech superiority widens . Russian designers always have compatible chips but can not produce them in any possible economical scale . Times when the full spec Russkie thing reaches a peak , Communist China expects a full scale Russian invasion in 1985 , because Flanker/Fulcrum/Foxhound/"Firefox" combination will totally intercept any Chinese strategic nuclear attack and then conduct guided weapons warfare , you know like Desert Storm but into Beijing and like a decade before . Russians might still cross the Rhein , but do not be fooled by stuff . America will go nuclear at any moment they understand they are not the Chosen People of god . To burn the whole world down .
stuff , stuff
2020s . lt's not the Russians who will cross the Rhein .
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Well US saw a much larger population growth than Russia while economic growth ratio was about the same. Also US more or less avoided any sort of serious disasters during 20th century while many European countries, especially Soviet union was suffered massive destruction, atleast during first half.
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Considering half of Russia was overrun with crazy murdering Germans for a few years who burned down everything in sight and just straight-up murdered scads of people, the Soviets didn't acquit themselves too poorly in the years following.
There's no counterfactual there. The best we can compare to would be east vs west Germany. But even that wouldn't work as a snapshot, since East Germans were forced to help rebuild the Poland/Ukraine/etc. regions in ways West Germany never was.
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If the US reduced military spending by half it would still be twice what China spends in any given year and twice what the rest of the world spends combined. So take 500 billion of that and put it towards healthcare and education and viola! compromise but instead its just. . .
USA USA USA
'murica its what's for dinner
go die in a fire poor and middle class people
payroll tax cuts!!!!!! (these are the parts of employees checks that pay for their future Medicare and social security. There is a dogged race to reduce these so republicans can later justify reductions in benefits and then rinse repeat this cycle)
There is no moral defense for a nation that behaves this way. It is fundamentally immoral to focus so much resource on the immolation of other humans while your own people suffer from stupidity and disease on the level the US does compared to its peers.
USA USA USA
'murica its what's for dinner
go die in a fire poor and middle class people
payroll tax cuts!!!!!! (these are the parts of employees checks that pay for their future Medicare and social security. There is a dogged race to reduce these so republicans can later justify reductions in benefits and then rinse repeat this cycle)
There is no moral defense for a nation that behaves this way. It is fundamentally immoral to focus so much resource on the immolation of other humans while your own people suffer from stupidity and disease on the level the US does compared to its peers.
Kouvb593kdnuewnd
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Keep in mind that europe as a whole may have lost something like 30 years worth of development due to first and second world war. If US gdp per capita had not grown since 89 it would be something like $35 800 in 2010 $ to get an idea and that is actually close to the current EU gdp per capita.
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Europe as a whole ?
Countries were very differently hit by WW1 and later WW2
For the EU Europe WW1 was very local damage + many lifes of some countries.
WW2 was much broader, but again many countries were not really affected
If you try to find back economical damage of WW2 you will be surprised how little is known in public about that....
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While we don't necessarily have exact numbers there is alot that indicate that europe as a whole was much closer to US in terms of economic development in 1913 than the decades afterwards. Even countries that did not directly suffer damage due to the war may still have been affected due to reduced trade and other problems the wars caused, but the countries that suffered occupation seems to have ended up worst.
By looking separately at countries and not Europe as a whole you get far more precise estimates what that war gap really was.
Trade was not yet very important around the WW2 period compared to now.
Skipping Germany damage.... East Europe was heavily affected (though still with differences)... Greece was most affected of Western countries
But "neutral" countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal, Spain, etc a completely different story.
And the other countries in between relatively also strongly differing !
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How did the Roman Empire collapse but people continued to live and go about their everyday business? It's almost like life itself does not require a political entity to keep going.
Say you are a nomad travelling with your goats around to feed your goats.
And you will travel from well to well to have water for your herd of goats.
And the wells are owned by God and therefore cannot be owned by one tribe or person.
And now you get this person or tribe who invents the idea of ownership of that well !
What now ?
Holy war.
And to make sure you win that war at little losses you make not only an alliance with other nomads, but a big enough alliance
And let's assume the nomads win that holy war...
how are they going to secure that they don't need to trouble themselves with making alliances every time a clever guy tries again ?
ShogunGrumpyBear
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Make sure you come up with a name to for your group.
If this would occur in RL for me and then say some 4,000 years ago, I would call our group the protectors of the true faith and the true God who owns all wells.
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Keep in mind that Roman Empire was not a modern country by any means. It was something more like a network of city states with certain degree of independence, connected together by a central city. The romans probably fought themself more than they did anyone else during the imperial period.
If you look at Madisons estimate, you will see that Roman economy was pretty unequal, like very poor western regions, rich Italy and the eastern part being in the middle. By medieval period the western part seems to have been richer than the eastern part while Italy was still richest. Overall the gdp per capita seems to have grown from roman time to medieval even if that growth was mainly in western, northern and southern europe.
Unlike the myths of medieval europe being a backward place (which often seems to be connected with anti christian/anti catholicism), the time period saw significant development, like here is an idea: https://beastrabban.wordpress.com/2...mechanisation-of-industry-in-the-middle-ages/
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