How is your EU3 Game going?

Depends what colonization is suposed to represent, really. And there's an issue of game mechanics as well.

If you assume colonization to be only cities, then yes, it's much too quick. But then, there's nothing to represent the other ways in which the west established their control of areas - forts, missions, and large-scale trading posts. They should be separate mechanisms, but so long as there's only one colonization mechanism, then they absolutely should be considered part of that mechanism.

And in that light, I'm not sure colonization develops that much too quickly. The French network went from Montreal being the westmost extent around 1665 (and a threatened one at that) to trading posts at lake Nipigon and on the Mississippi by around 1700. Colonization certain starts too early, but once it gets started, it should not be THAT hard to extend your control over a sizeable area. Similarly the British trade/fort network underwent rapid expansion after the end of the wars with New France, going from Manitoba (where they had taken over various French outposts and settlements) all the way to British Columbia, along two separate routes (Saskatchewan river route, including the future Edmonton, and Athabasca/Peace river route, including the futures Fort Chipewyan and Fort St. John).

Now the way natives are treated, I agree that's completely shameful.

It is rather interesting that trade posts are one of the few items from EU2 that isn't present in EU3. I'm not sure quite what the decision behind that was.

Playing as muscovy, when fighting the golden horde, is it best to colonize a lot of provinces and wait for them to grow as the war drags on, or to grab them one at a time and build it up?

I'd also be inclined to grab them one at a time, unless someone else was also threatening to grab them. It'll get you new land quicker, and strain your economy less with upkeep, in addition to the benefits Mosher mentioned.
 
Now the real challenge is finding time to pursue music and do work between playing. :p

ftfy ;)


New comp is up and running, so I'll be back on EU by the end of the day and will have screenshots of my game up here :)
 
Here. No player interference.
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Caused by a single zealot army that occupied Caen and Paris
 
Separating France and Iberia with wasteland wasn't a great idea...

Why? I think it does a pretty good representing the absolute geographic barrier that was the Pyrenees mountains. I just wish they'd done something semi-similar for the Alps, although it'd probably be a big hard to implement.
 
Separating France and Iberia with wasteland wasn't a great idea...

Gameplay wise? I thought it was good, stops blobbing of either country in each others territories and forces both you (and the AI) to build a navy.

I do think however, there should actually be a pass without wasteland in the Basque Land. The area there isn't as mountainous.

Yah it would be harder to implement in the Alps because it would lead to unnatural borders (For the wasteland to work, it must be two tiles across in every part). I think that mod (or some other) uses wastelands in the Caucasus mountains though, which is nice for not allowing the Timurids, Russians, Golden Horde or Ottomans to blob into Central Asia/Caucasus and protects the Caucasian minors from those evil Mongolian hordes.
 
Gameplay wise? I thought it was good, stops blobbing of either country in each others territories and forces both you (and the AI) to build a navy.

I do think however, there should actually be a pass without wasteland in the Basque Land. The area there isn't as mountainous.

Yah it would be harder to implement in the Alps because it would lead to unnatural borders (For the wasteland to work, it must be two tiles across in every part). I think that mod (or some other) uses wastelands in the Caucasus mountains though, which is nice for not allowing the Timurids, Russians, Golden Horde or Ottomans to blob into Central Asia/Caucasus and protects the Caucasian minors from those evil Mongolian hordes.

Yeah, I also like its placement in Scandinavia. I agree with your statement RE: breaking it up a bit.
 
Why? I think it does a pretty good representing the absolute geographic barrier that was the Pyrenees mountains. I just wish they'd done something semi-similar for the Alps, although it'd probably be a big hard to implement.

It's just much too blunt. Using a machete rather than a scalpel. Of course you can reach Aragon overland from France, it's just a challenge, especially in the interior. If they made mountain ranges like the Pyrenees harder to cross, it would make sense.

Not to mention ruining game immersion with a little grey band running through the Pyrenees - it reminds me of some of the more advanced CivIII mods.
 
That we can agree on.

Some other guy has a minimod where if you border a wastelands province, over time the wasteland province becomes your "color" despite it still being wastelands, impassable and not serving any purpose. (So it is purely for aesthetic reasons) Might be worth investigating implementing it in if it really bothers you.

edit: Also, I just checked and there are wastelands in the alps around switzerland in that mod!!
 
Close to the end of my current game, so I'm in the process of choosing what my next onew will be. The current ideas I have are Crete from 1399, Athens from 1428 (a start I randomly pickede a while ago and still haven't done) or Bihar from 1399. Which of those sounds the most interesting?
 
Close to the end of my current game, so I'm in the process of choosing what my next onew will be. The current ideas I have are Crete from 1399, Athens from 1428 (a start I randomly pickede a while ago and still haven't done) or Bihar from 1399. Which of those sounds the most interesting?

A chinese or Indian country in D&T 6.2 ;)
 
Try for Milan 1399 start, and become Italy before 1470.
Speaking of which, I'm still on said game and finished a war. I DoW'd Portugal, and Aragon, Castile, & Brabant joined in. I got from each:
Brabant: ducats plus random claims removed
Aragon: ducats, vassalized, The Baelares
Portugal: Yamasee, Apalachee, ducats
Castile: Coahuila, Honduras, Guyaquil, Jamaica, Valencia, Alicante, Murcia, Almeria, and Granada
Once my BB goes down, I am going to fix some borders ;)
 
The Manchurian Invasion of Japan is going very well after several waves. The first wave was almost a failure due to Divine Wind, with Japan unexpectedly upsetting my much larger navy with their (admittedly slightly more advanced) fleet. But, after buying out Minamoto, the remaining daimyos were weak and susceptible to invasion. I'm pretty sure Minamoto regretted selling out when they did, even if it did weaken their rivals in the short term. My only concern is how to conquer the last provinces of each of the daimyos - only Minamoto now has more than one province.

The navy is now in the process of expanding to 100 Caravels, which will exceed the British Empire in quantity (though certainly not quality) of capital ships. The army is a third of a million troops, the largest standing army in the world, though occasionally rivaled by heavy shorter-term recruitment elsewhere. Land technology is equal with the Eastern Europeans, government tech is equal with the large Western Europeans (though not the small trading behemoths), and other technological levels are pitiful. I'm glad I stuck with the Chinese tech group. Plans are to finish conquering Japan, and hopefully inheriting Taungu, thus forming Eastasia as a pretty-much-unified empire.

Close to the end of my current game, so I'm in the process of choosing what my next onew will be. The current ideas I have are Crete from 1399, Athens from 1428 (a start I randomly pickede a while ago and still haven't done) or Bihar from 1399. Which of those sounds the most interesting?

I did an Athens start in the first year you can. It was a good challenge, even though the Ottomans didn't decide to try to conquer me - despite being a pretty successful Ottoman Empire. Obviously, assuming you can get a couple more provinces so that you aren't in danger from your immediate neighbors, an ongoing saga is going to be trying to avoid being squashed like a bug by them. It's not impossible, but takes a solid plan, good intelligence about when to act, and a certain degree of luck.

Crete sounds really hard. Unlike Athens, you have to have a navy to transport your armies at the start. Unless you plan on going trade-centric. I never did westernize as Athens, and eventually became just as advanced as the western powers. I guess the advantage is that others are less likely to pick on you as Crete than as Athens, but I'm not sure it would be as interesting.

Of the three I'd probably choose Bihar, although in part because I've done Athens. It's not exactly a cakewalk, but you do have a center of trade, at least. And it could be interesting being in India. It's not so hopeless as a New World country technologically, and there's no Colonial Conquest casus belli against you, but it's still a fair disadvantage against even the Muslim tech group, and of course Vijaynagar, Rajputana, Delhi, and Orissa are all likely favorites over you. I suspect you'd have more challenges from Europe than I have in my game as the Manchu, which could actually be good, as I've been actually slightly disappointed that I haven't had any serious wars with the Europeans. Although in part that was due to successful diplomacy. I might have to start a war with the British Empire in that game just so I can have a nice big naval battle and possible Chinese invasion of England.
 
I've chosen a different Indian country as it turns out ;) I've decided to do a Manipur run.

Manipur is certainly an interesting country - if you get lucky you can get most of Bengal within the first 15. Had to reload a couple of times though due to forgetting who was allied to who/not checking the ledger.
 
In my current game, the Ottomans became monsters. :(

I took a coalition of Styria(who owns all of Austria, has Habsburg ruler etc. :p), Poland, Lithuania, A strong Muscovy, Kingdom of Two-Sicilies, Hungary, Wallachia+Moldova(in this mod, actually strong), and Croatia to even push a peace treaty where the Ottomans conceded one exclave of a province...
 
Manipur... that should be interesting. Certainly not an easy choice.

I want a screenshot of the monster Ottomans. I usually like a nice strong Ottomans, since often either Austria or Bohemia becomes the superpower in southeast Europe.
 
Thinking of playing a game again. Either England or Roman Empire. I know, you'd never expect the latter ;)

But if i do i will plan to have all areas in every Greek state in History. Here is a map of that by Dachs:

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