So how is your current game going?
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I've won two Immortal games so far going "semi-warmonger".
Basically that's warring early to obtain a vassal, and then peacenicking for the rest of the game. AI has been competitive but it did the job.
I suspect its a combination of new patch and the change of scaling with epic speed, I didnt play on prev patch because of ctd's.
Went down to king and I feel its a bit more as I want the game to play.
Zanteogo
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Notice that the key to lasting late game peace is early war as well. The more vassals you can put under your belt early makes for a much easier peaceful end.
I do find the amount of stupid bribe wars kind of silly overall. I hope the patch in development helps lessen them.
I do find the amount of stupid bribe wars kind of silly overall. I hope the patch in development helps lessen them.
Cross posted from Austria thread. A game going very well, and bascially a lock for victory.
I'm playing as Austria, on 6 difficulty on a standard Communitas map. I went Tradition-Statecraft-Opening Industry. I spawned on an isolated continent with the Netherlands and a few city states. He stole the most suitable pantheon (Goddess of Springtime) in an area with a ton of plantation luxuries. Tea and Tobacco monopolies, as well as a stray Cocoa. But I still easily founded with Goddess of Beauty. I also forward settled his capital, off from the rest of the continent, and after two wars took his capital, and vassalied his remaining city. He has had another two cities that my city-state allies took before this (but remained occupied ever since. Can city states not build courthouses?). Anyway, I explored and found a friendly Ottomans until I started converting him, and a Tradition Babylon who was doing quite well, and was tech leader until the early Renaissance. Later on, I found a puny Mongolia who had founded, a non-founding Siam despite a number of religious city-states on the other continent, Russia who had founded, and a powerful Huns.
I founded the world congress with 4 City State Embassies and 6 Diplomatic marriages. Plus with Religious Authority from 20+ cities, and the base votes as a civ, and as the host. By the time of the first vote, I had picked up another 2 city-state embassies and 4 royal marriages, as well as Consulates policy in Statecraft. I had more votes than all the other civs combined, without even considering my vassal.
So I easily passed Catholicism as the World Religion, fended off a sanction, and an attempted ban on my luxury with absolute ease. Since both my regional rivals got tapped as the AIs who made proposals. And now I have more votes than everybody combined x 2.
The thing is, Siam and Russia on the other continent had a few number of city-state allies still. Yet it means nothing because tech progress hadn't unlocked city-state participation. Except marriages with city-states do count in this early period. It is an unstoppable, diplomatic advantage, even if Austria has only hunkered down in a section of the map and locked down the city-states there with embassies and marriages.
I'm playing as Austria, on 6 difficulty on a standard Communitas map. I went Tradition-Statecraft-Opening Industry. I spawned on an isolated continent with the Netherlands and a few city states. He stole the most suitable pantheon (Goddess of Springtime) in an area with a ton of plantation luxuries. Tea and Tobacco monopolies, as well as a stray Cocoa. But I still easily founded with Goddess of Beauty. I also forward settled his capital, off from the rest of the continent, and after two wars took his capital, and vassalied his remaining city. He has had another two cities that my city-state allies took before this (but remained occupied ever since. Can city states not build courthouses?). Anyway, I explored and found a friendly Ottomans until I started converting him, and a Tradition Babylon who was doing quite well, and was tech leader until the early Renaissance. Later on, I found a puny Mongolia who had founded, a non-founding Siam despite a number of religious city-states on the other continent, Russia who had founded, and a powerful Huns.
I founded the world congress with 4 City State Embassies and 6 Diplomatic marriages. Plus with Religious Authority from 20+ cities, and the base votes as a civ, and as the host. By the time of the first vote, I had picked up another 2 city-state embassies and 4 royal marriages, as well as Consulates policy in Statecraft. I had more votes than all the other civs combined, without even considering my vassal.
So I easily passed Catholicism as the World Religion, fended off a sanction, and an attempted ban on my luxury with absolute ease. Since both my regional rivals got tapped as the AIs who made proposals. And now I have more votes than everybody combined x 2.
The thing is, Siam and Russia on the other continent had a few number of city-state allies still. Yet it means nothing because tech progress hadn't unlocked city-state participation. Except marriages with city-states do count in this early period. It is an unstoppable, diplomatic advantage, even if Austria has only hunkered down in a section of the map and locked down the city-states there with embassies and marriages.
Here is an example of a nice flank attack assault of a city. That of Busan.
My army of Gatling Guns northwest of Busan is flanking the city and also is cutting any troop supply efforts Korea might want to send down south from their capitol to defend Busan. Any reinforcements Korea tries to send will be caught into a devastating crossfire by the Gatling Guns. In the meantime my infantry is about to launch an assault of Busan from the south.
Korea is weak opponent in this game but nevertheless just to show a good example of flanking a city.
My army of Gatling Guns northwest of Busan is flanking the city and also is cutting any troop supply efforts Korea might want to send down south from their capitol to defend Busan. Any reinforcements Korea tries to send will be caught into a devastating crossfire by the Gatling Guns. In the meantime my infantry is about to launch an assault of Busan from the south.
Korea is weak opponent in this game but nevertheless just to show a good example of flanking a city.
Deljade
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Religious warmonger Mongolia, Epic, Huge, Immortal, Tectonic, I set map settings so as to have a good chance to create connected landmasses, Pangaea-style so as to have a big battle royal. Instead I get put on the most isolated continent with two nerds, with rough terrain for good measure. Kept the game after finding out that we're isolated because it's been a long time since I did a continent conquest into a strong late game nation.
Wonders; Statue of Zeus (rush), Terracota Army, Neuschwanstein, Slater Mill, Brandenburg Gate (had to carefully time City-State tributes for the last 3)
Religion; Very warlike with God of War, Hero Worship, Zealotry and Crusader Spirit, unfortunately lost Orders so got Veneration and Mosques.
Conquering Korea and then Babylon was pretty easy to be honest, they did not offer any real resistance, had to plan my Techs carefully of course. It's fortunate that since our continent was so isolated, the other civs didn't really mind after discovering me. I've also conquered a bunch of City-States for Resources and as Staging grounds, after demanding tribute of course. It's really fun being the bad guy again, and the best part is that other civs are friendly with me anyway, having the second most powerful army has it's benefits.
I am now clashing swords with Askia (get it? we both have swords) for the first place, he is doing very, very well. Planning to start invading other continents real soon, thinking of starting with Kamehameha's.
Got Strategic monopolies in Iron and Horses but I was baffled to find no traces of Coal in my continent. Thankfully with a bit of trading and conquest as well as Slater Mill, I have enough to feed my Seaport for now. Trading Iron to select players has also been a huge source of revenue.
Wonders; Statue of Zeus (rush), Terracota Army, Neuschwanstein, Slater Mill, Brandenburg Gate (had to carefully time City-State tributes for the last 3)
Religion; Very warlike with God of War, Hero Worship, Zealotry and Crusader Spirit, unfortunately lost Orders so got Veneration and Mosques.
Conquering Korea and then Babylon was pretty easy to be honest, they did not offer any real resistance, had to plan my Techs carefully of course. It's fortunate that since our continent was so isolated, the other civs didn't really mind after discovering me. I've also conquered a bunch of City-States for Resources and as Staging grounds, after demanding tribute of course. It's really fun being the bad guy again, and the best part is that other civs are friendly with me anyway, having the second most powerful army has it's benefits.
I am now clashing swords with Askia (get it? we both have swords) for the first place, he is doing very, very well. Planning to start invading other continents real soon, thinking of starting with Kamehameha's.
Got Strategic monopolies in Iron and Horses but I was baffled to find no traces of Coal in my continent. Thankfully with a bit of trading and conquest as well as Slater Mill, I have enough to feed my Seaport for now. Trading Iron to select players has also been a huge source of revenue.
Playing Greece, went Authority, took a vassal early on, put spies into city states rigging elections, quest allied other city states, then every United Nations picked Sphere of Influence and slowly allied every city state - beginning with opponents allied city states, one by one took everyone else as vassals, so pretty much slowly turned everyone onto my side or bow down to me hahaha, won diplomatically
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salty mud
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What a great looking map. Think I'll try out tectonics on my next game! Is the script only available via mod? Can't remember if it comes bundled with VP...
Separate but works with VP. I think the vp devs recognize that tectonics is a good mapscript and do support it. For people who like really huge maps. I am giving communitu a shot but am increasingly dissatisfied...too crowded too small. On tectonic you can see Civs with 50 cities...a force to reckon with. In communitu you can see Civs with 5 or 6 cities max if they do okay. Disclaimer, I play with 63 Civs.
Been mixing in my endless pangea (or very similar) games with the Communitu_tu map.
Currently playing as Spain .... oh my what a powerhouse they are, the amount of faith purchased navy I can muster is obscene.
But despite this Im impressed with how much crap the AI can throw away on me on Emperor diff, its like they get 10 free units from somewhere magical every 2-3 turns.
Currently playing as Spain .... oh my what a powerhouse they are, the amount of faith purchased navy I can muster is obscene.
But despite this Im impressed with how much crap the AI can throw away on me on Emperor diff, its like they get 10 free units from somewhere magical every 2-3 turns.
Deljade
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I did win a no conquest peaceful game on immortal but it was on standard speed instead of my usual epic. Also played a few warmonger and semi-warmonger games on epic. I think epic is harder in terms of keeping up with the AI right now. The aggressive AIs also seem better this patch. Will do a peaceful game next (though totally peaceful is a little boring for me)
As for my game, after conquering Kamehameha I did encounter a peculiar problem which is unique to that map with very isolated continents, my territories are too far apart and there is no way to move aircraft between them! It's not totally insurmountable, of course, as I can get a lot of them with faith through Zealotry, provided I annex cities, and I've got very high production to pump them out real quick. Carriers are also coming up. Still, pretty annoying to not be able to move aircraft from my main production hub in my home continent...
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tommytoxen
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I usually play on tectonic maps but thought for a change I'll try a TSL earth map for once. it seems to break VP a bit I'm not sure what else it's doing under the hood. I've got all 6 spies to start with for example and it seems to be mixing up "stop spying on me" with "stop sending prophets".
But I've carried it on anyway. Things are going slowly (as I play on marathon
)
I've so far settled London, Edinburgh & Dublin. I could probably fit more cities on the isles but I've gone tradition and don't wanna squeeze my capital out, it has almost all 5 rings (in future) to its self. I got the hanging gardens so it has 4 rings for now unobstructed. Except Portugal is aggressively settling where France should be and Poland is aggressively settling where Germany & the Netherlands should be so I've lost some tiles across the channel.
But I'll go to war and burn them to the ground eventually.
Greece is obsessively trying to drag me into a war with Constantinople sending me begging messages to join every few turns aaaand that's about it for now, nothing too exciting yet. We're still in the very much explore and settle phase.
But I've carried it on anyway. Things are going slowly (as I play on marathon
)I've so far settled London, Edinburgh & Dublin. I could probably fit more cities on the isles but I've gone tradition and don't wanna squeeze my capital out, it has almost all 5 rings (in future) to its self. I got the hanging gardens so it has 4 rings for now unobstructed. Except Portugal is aggressively settling where France should be and Poland is aggressively settling where Germany & the Netherlands should be so I've lost some tiles across the channel.
But I'll go to war and burn them to the ground eventually.
Greece is obsessively trying to drag me into a war with Constantinople sending me begging messages to join every few turns aaaand that's about it for now, nothing too exciting yet. We're still in the very much explore and settle phase.
Communitu_2.0 as Spain epic emp.
Auth ->fealty -> imp
God of the sea -> hero worship/orders -> mosques/zelotry -> crusader spirit
Took out huns (wiped) in a very long winded war during which war with indonesia started -> korea (quick steamroll) -> greece (quick steamroll) -> finally landing an taking out indonesia ->
quick wipe on what was left of Byzantium where I barely sniped Byzantiums capital under the feet of Shaka.
I've eaten up quite a lot of CS.
I've had to make an obscene amount of public works but managed to stay afloat, partly due to lots of cities but also to sustain the very long war against indonesia.
I dont understand how/why my capital is growing to such extreme amounts, Madrid is at size 41!, my capital usually halts around 25-30 in my warmonger games.
Faith buying navy (and land units for that part) with Spain is ... well there is no end on the amount of units I can conjure up.
As long as I have supply and income to cover for the maintainance (and patience to move everything around on the map).
Shaka (authority - artistry - imperialism) steamrolled the Mongols fairly early (I didnt get an embassy with Mongols original capital) and had wars against Byzantium but peaced out inbetween which cost him.
If Shaka had taked out the continent north of his, more than doable, Byzantium was soo far behind and Indonesia rarely impress in wars, I would be more scared of him.
Impressed that he sniped Slater mill from me with 3-4 turns to go, thought I surely had it.
I'm slightly ahead in tech (havent been for long) and I suspect my quite large navy (just now upgraded to cruisers) will mow him down.
Shaka was also policy leader for most of the game (I'm one ahead just recently).
He's got an impressive amount of crap with lots of exp and I feel the land war will be grindy since I need to take two inland capitals, shakas special promos wont make it easier but he's got noone to trade with and my resources are far superior.
Auth ->fealty -> imp
God of the sea -> hero worship/orders -> mosques/zelotry -> crusader spirit
Took out huns (wiped) in a very long winded war during which war with indonesia started -> korea (quick steamroll) -> greece (quick steamroll) -> finally landing an taking out indonesia ->
quick wipe on what was left of Byzantium where I barely sniped Byzantiums capital under the feet of Shaka.
I've eaten up quite a lot of CS.
I've had to make an obscene amount of public works but managed to stay afloat, partly due to lots of cities but also to sustain the very long war against indonesia.
I dont understand how/why my capital is growing to such extreme amounts, Madrid is at size 41!, my capital usually halts around 25-30 in my warmonger games.
Faith buying navy (and land units for that part) with Spain is ... well there is no end on the amount of units I can conjure up.
As long as I have supply and income to cover for the maintainance (and patience to move everything around on the map).
Shaka (authority - artistry - imperialism) steamrolled the Mongols fairly early (I didnt get an embassy with Mongols original capital) and had wars against Byzantium but peaced out inbetween which cost him.
If Shaka had taked out the continent north of his, more than doable, Byzantium was soo far behind and Indonesia rarely impress in wars, I would be more scared of him.
Impressed that he sniped Slater mill from me with 3-4 turns to go, thought I surely had it.
I'm slightly ahead in tech (havent been for long) and I suspect my quite large navy (just now upgraded to cruisers) will mow him down.
Shaka was also policy leader for most of the game (I'm one ahead just recently).
He's got an impressive amount of crap with lots of exp and I feel the land war will be grindy since I need to take two inland capitals, shakas special promos wont make it easier but he's got noone to trade with and my resources are far superior.
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pineappledan
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Also playing a (heavily modded) game with Spain.
Altered their UA and added 3rd and 4th UCs
Earth Mother (copper monopoly) --> Holy Law/Cathedrals --> Pagodas/Zealotry --> Crusader Spirit
I'm in the Modern now, and the cost of faith-buying units has gotten so high I have switched to GPs.
Shared a continent with Assyria, Portugal, Carthage, Ethiopia. Sweden, Ottomans, and Egypt each have continents by themselves. Everyone on my continent except Assyria founded religions (hence my Pagodas)
Everyone gave me a wide berth early game and settled in other directions from me. As a result, I had settled cities within 6 tiles of 2 other capitals. I settled 7 cities by Medieval, and with 2 Faith buildings, missions, and Monasteries, I had so much faith-purchased infrastructure that I played rather conservatively. In the meantime, Portugal had built a Citadel barrier with me and stole 8 tiles from me.
I rushed Gunpowder (Spain's unique Corvette unlocks there), and I was ready to go. I Faith-purchased 4 Conquistadors and 3 Armadas, lined them up against Portugal's borders, and pulled the trigger. I have been in perpetual combat since then. I have captured capitals and vassalized everyone on my continent (Ethiopia, Carthage, Assyria, Portugal), and I captured all the cities that Ottomans and Egypt built outside their home continent. So the remainder of the game will be to crack 3 consecutive mini-continents, and try to do it before nukes.
I'm really liking the 4UC additions to Spain, and the UA rework seems to be working well. Any unique knight replacement is worth 2 units of an equivalent era, and I managed to settle 3 off-continent cities with Conquistadors, which doesn't happen every game, so it was really nice to get that chance.
Public works are letting me hang in there for happiness. I have had to rely on them periodically, since I expanded so fast in the early game.
Altered their UA and added 3rd and 4th UCs
Earth Mother (copper monopoly) --> Holy Law/Cathedrals --> Pagodas/Zealotry --> Crusader Spirit
I'm in the Modern now, and the cost of faith-buying units has gotten so high I have switched to GPs.
Shared a continent with Assyria, Portugal, Carthage, Ethiopia. Sweden, Ottomans, and Egypt each have continents by themselves. Everyone on my continent except Assyria founded religions (hence my Pagodas)
Everyone gave me a wide berth early game and settled in other directions from me. As a result, I had settled cities within 6 tiles of 2 other capitals. I settled 7 cities by Medieval, and with 2 Faith buildings, missions, and Monasteries, I had so much faith-purchased infrastructure that I played rather conservatively. In the meantime, Portugal had built a Citadel barrier with me and stole 8 tiles from me.
I rushed Gunpowder (Spain's unique Corvette unlocks there), and I was ready to go. I Faith-purchased 4 Conquistadors and 3 Armadas, lined them up against Portugal's borders, and pulled the trigger. I have been in perpetual combat since then. I have captured capitals and vassalized everyone on my continent (Ethiopia, Carthage, Assyria, Portugal), and I captured all the cities that Ottomans and Egypt built outside their home continent. So the remainder of the game will be to crack 3 consecutive mini-continents, and try to do it before nukes.
I'm really liking the 4UC additions to Spain, and the UA rework seems to be working well. Any unique knight replacement is worth 2 units of an equivalent era, and I managed to settle 3 off-continent cities with Conquistadors, which doesn't happen every game, so it was really nice to get that chance.
Public works are letting me hang in there for happiness. I have had to rely on them periodically, since I expanded so fast in the early game.
Deljade
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Spoiler War :
Spoiler Peace :
Askia's Order tech progression is too rapid, he is 4 Techs ahead and I saw some Stealth Bombers in his capital. Think it's time for one of the biggest invasions I've done; I'll start by declaring war on Theodora who has a pact with Songhai and China. This will let me strike in Songhai's continent weak Northeastern part and establish a foothold. I'm expecting contemporary units from Byzantium and advanced units from Songhai. I've got every combat bonus from Strategics, Policies, Autocracy, Projects. The fleet will lead the way and the army will follow, as it's being upgraded to Infantry and Tanks. If this fails, I'll have to resort to nuclear missiles, better start rushing to the Lasers tech.
Spoiler Plan :
See you on the other side boys
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[QUOTE="Deljade, post: 15912616, member: 319851"
Askia's Order tech progression is too rapid, he is 4 Techs ahead and I saw some Stealth Bombers in his capital. Think it's time for one of the biggest invasions I've done; I'll start by declaring war on Theodora who has a pact with Songhai and China. This will let me strike in Songhai's continent weak Northeastern part and establish a foothold. I'm expecting contemporary units from Byzantium and advanced units from Songhai. I've got every combat bonus from Strategics, Policies, Autocracy, Projects. The fleet will lead the way and the army will follow, as it's being upgraded to Infantry and Tanks. If this fails, I'll have to resort to nuclear missiles, better start rushing to the Lasers tech.
See you on the other side boys[/QUOTE]
Thats looks like a very big map what size is this?
or is it just me not used to strategic view?
Askia's Order tech progression is too rapid, he is 4 Techs ahead and I saw some Stealth Bombers in his capital. Think it's time for one of the biggest invasions I've done; I'll start by declaring war on Theodora who has a pact with Songhai and China. This will let me strike in Songhai's continent weak Northeastern part and establish a foothold. I'm expecting contemporary units from Byzantium and advanced units from Songhai. I've got every combat bonus from Strategics, Policies, Autocracy, Projects. The fleet will lead the way and the army will follow, as it's being upgraded to Infantry and Tanks. If this fails, I'll have to resort to nuclear missiles, better start rushing to the Lasers tech.
See you on the other side boys[/QUOTE]
Thats looks like a very big map what size is this?
or is it just me not used to strategic view?
Deljade
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It's 16 player Huge (128x80 iirc), I use strategic view for wars because a lot of units make the screen too cluttered with the laptop resolution
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