How will america Fall?

How many more years till the US falls apart?

  • 0-100

    Votes: 88 36.4%
  • 101-200

    Votes: 47 19.4%
  • 201-300

    Votes: 11 4.5%
  • 301-500

    Votes: 12 5.0%
  • 501-750

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • 751-1000

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 1001-1500

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 1501-2000

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • Never

    Votes: 33 13.6%
  • Whenever the Radioactive Monkey gets board of us.

    Votes: 34 14.0%

  • Total voters
    242
All nuclear weapons, including so-called 'suitcase' or 'backpack' nukes, require periodic service and component replacement due to radioactive decay of certain electronics. Shelf life of a typical nuke is around 180 days. If Paul's (wasn't he GREAT in that ST jr story about the aliens who communicate by referring to history and mythology?) information about those two Al Queida nukes is accurate, they're no threat to anyone but the people keeping them in a closet somewhere by now.

The Giant Radioactive Monkey (aka God) will be cleaing house soon enough, and then all earthly governments will be gone. No man knows the hour.
 
I don't concern myself with this question much.

We didn't start out as a world power, after all.

So, to those of you who are looking forward to the fall of the U.S., I offer this cheery thought to ruin your day: after the fall, when will we become a superpower once again.....? :king:
 
BasketCase said:
I don't concern myself with this question much.

We didn't start out as a world power, after all.

So, to those of you who are looking forward to the fall of the U.S., I offer this cheery thought to ruin your day: after the fall, when will we become a superpower once again.....? :king:

Yes, yes. Because the Assyrians were a real superpower after they fell. So were the Babylonians. And the Incas. The Aztecs. The Romans. The Greeks. The Muslims.

Empires fall and die. There is no escaping it; America will be confined to the dust bin of history, no matter how much anyone desires it to live forever.
 
I don't think this nation will ever fall, it will stand the test of time. It has started from a mere and pathetic 13 colonies and become a world power. I know many doomsayers want this nation to fall, but it has qualities very lacking in the rest of the world. There's something about the people, they have control, they know when things get really really out of hand and try their best to correct it. I saw this Red Cross commercial on tv today talking about America, it was all so true.

I'm 100% sure there will be a decline in power, but that'll happen naturally due to economic growth.
 
Winner said:
Well, I've bought one of these nukes from a Vietnamese stallkeeper. But don't worry, I will use it against domestic targets :evil: :bump:
Wait a bit before nuking Prague... my boyfriend is currently there with his sister. Normally he should leave Prague on tomorrow to visit Vienna. So it's fine to do it after.

Thank you. :)
 
ligertiger said:
I don't think this nation will ever fall, it will stand the test of time. It has started from a mere and pathetic 13 colonies and become a world power. I know many doomsayers want this nation to fall, but it has qualities very lacking in the rest of the world. There's something about the people, they have control, they know when things get really really out of hand and try their best to correct it. I saw this Red Cross commercial on tv today talking about America, it was all so true.

I'm 100% sure there will be a decline in power, but that'll happen naturally due to economic growth.

*sigh*

Can you please point out something the US has, in terms of the "character of its people" that the people of the UK or France or Canada or Germany or any of a large number of other equally-democratic, equally-modernized nations lack?

I'm sick of hearing from my fellow Americans that we have something other people don't. Get over yourselves.
 
Pfft, there will be a coup, radioactive monkey takes control, world is confused, stock market crash, USA falls. Monkey laughs.

I honestly have no idea, therefore.
 
North King said:
Empires fall and die. There is no escaping it; America will be confined to the dust bin of history, no matter how much anyone desires it to live forever.
When we first started out, we as a nation were IN the dustbin. We climbed out, became a world power (although an isolationist one). Then World War I, the Great Depression, and the U.S. was in the dustbin again. And we climbed out again.

We'll fall again sometime. And then we'll dust ourselves off and try for world domination. Again. :king:
 
jwijn's prediction for the next...

25 years: US becomes embroiled in the War on Terrorism (Struggle Against Extremism, or whatever phrase is next on Hooked on Phonics) while China grows in influence, particularly by controlling the economies of fledgling African nations

50 years: US deficit becomes too large, leading to a lack of confidence in the dollar. Beginning with Venezuela and China, there is a gradual switch of basing prices on the dollar to basing prices on the Euro, thanks to the EU's continued support of the Chinese government and Venezuela's continued hatred of the US. US economy slides out of control. Losses abroad, attacks at home, and a faltering economy lead to a time of unrest, possibly even mild dictatorship (or, worse comes to worst, just a prevalence of more extreme parties)

75-100 years: Chinese economy collapses, government overthrown. India emerges as the next world power due to strength in information and services markets, with the EU in a close second. The rest of the world languishes in poverty, war, and despair.

Peachy, eh?
 
ligertiger said:
I don't think this nation will ever fall, it will stand the test of time. It has started from a mere and pathetic 13 colonies and become a world power. I know many doomsayers want this nation to fall, but it has qualities very lacking in the rest of the world. There's something about the people, they have control, they know when things get really really out of hand and try their best to correct it. I saw this Red Cross commercial on tv today talking about America, it was all so true.

I'm 100% sure there will be a decline in power, but that'll happen naturally due to economic growth.

Yeah, others thought that their empire had something, a unique character, a great something, that other nations lacked.

The Romans thought so--and in fact, they are an excellent analogy for the America of today. No, really!

The Romans rose from almost nothing to a massive Empire that had no rival (in their area, anyway). They were certain that their people were greater than any outside it--that they had a character that was greater than others, that they were civilized where others were not.

The Americans, like the Romans, are falling victims to their own pride and power.

We as a nation believe that we are on top of the world. A great number of us believe that our nation has the right to do whatever it wants as long as it is within our interests.

And all while our increasingly overstretched military force gets told to "protect our interests" somewhere else, the population at home gets desensitized to violence protrayed in television as acceptable. After all, it's very nice and cozy to regard the horrors of war if it's not happening on your soil, if it's not happening to your nation, and if you can watch it at a distance. In this way, our television is almost comparable to gladiatorial tournaments--though not nearly as brutal, it shows that the desire for information is being completely surpassed by the desire for entertainment.

At the same time, our nation relies on a source of cheap, easy power--much as the Romans relied on cheap, easy slave labor, to run our economy, we use oil in the same way. And oil cannot last forever--that is a fact.

Our currency will become devalued, our power sources will become harder to acquire. Our nation's military will be overstretched by a willing and blind american public, we will become vulnerable. Internal tensions and external pressures will tear America apart, and this empire, like so many others, will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Sorry to ruin your day.
 
I believe it most likely that the United States will lose sole super-power status within a century or so, but does that constitute a fall? I think we have a strong enough national identity that we will stick around for a very long time. I voted 1001-1500.
 
North King said:
Yes, yes. Because the Assyrians were a real superpower after they fell. So were the Babylonians. And the Incas. The Aztecs. The Romans. The Greeks. The Muslims.

Empires fall and die. There is no escaping it; America will be confined to the dust bin of history, no matter how much anyone desires it to live forever.

*points out the Chinese and China* They've had days of power and glory, and when one era fell or ended into decay, and yet they come back up again, at least so far in history. When the Han fell, the Tang returned after a few hundred years, when the Tang fell, the Song brought peace once more, then the Yuan, then the Qing, and now once more the People's Republic of China gathers strength.

It seems like it doesn't apply to China.
 
alex994 said:
*points out the Chinese and China* They've had days of power and glory, and when one era fell or ended into decay, and yet they come back up again, at least so far in history. When the Han fell, the Tang returned after a few hundred years, when the Tang fell, the Song brought peace once more, then the Yuan, then the Qing, and now once more the People's Republic of China gathers strength.

It seems like it doesn't apply to China.

Yes China rebounded. But China, and India, for that matter, are rather more special cases. The initial unifying strokes in either part of the world cast a shadow over all following leaders--there was always the legacy of a united empire to keep up with. And by the same token, their culture was never truly overshadowed by any around them, and their population was large enough to support large empires easily. The case is not the same for America and Rome.
 
well china is just the name of the couty in that region.

all of those are knew goverments ruleing the same area
 
Future just raised an interesting point. Sure, China (and the U.S. for that matter) has risen and fallen several times--but each time, China was a little different.

How different does a nation have to be before one can really say "the old one fell"?
 
BasketCase said:
Future just raised an interesting point. Sure, China (and the U.S. for that matter) has risen and fallen several times--but each time, China was a little different.

How different does a nation have to be before one can really say "the old one fell"?

China is very, very different from the USA.

To name a few--unicultural for the most part, uniethnicity, a far greater population density (and this does matter), a history of uniting themselves time and time again--something the USA does not have. We have only expanded again weaker powers, never truly united our land through blood. Sorry, the Civil War does not count.

When you show me a Warring States USA come out of the dark ages, then maybe I'll contemplate the possibility that it could ressurect. But the USA has more in common with Rome than China.
 
actually when i made the tread I was thinking Rome
THat is why I said within 1000 more years. I was refering To the US No Mater what form of goverment we have.(But I do not count todays Greece with the Anceint One)
 
If there was one nation that has a chance of not falling, because of the purity of its initial ideal and the effectiveness of its laws, it would be America.

Not, of course, that I mean that democracies don't fail - but that they don't have to.
 
IMO, the US will go the way of Britain or many other powers that have walked the earth. It will just fade from power, most people won't even be aware that it has done so for perhaps a few generations after the fact, because nationalism will blind them to the reality around them. But the US will likely remain as a nation - it will just lose its seat on the throne. IMO, alot of Americans will not believe that this has actually happened, when it does, because it will be far from a complete collapse.

OTOH, the US is not a country like Britain - it has never been socially or politically stable, so there's a chance that if the national morale really faces a serious challenge (eg, large scale defeat in war etc) it's possible that it might collapse as a society. But I don't think this will happen.
 
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