How would you change history?

I'd bring back military technologies and watch nascent empires destroy other empires and/or self-destruct themselves. Or I could bring back technologies that only have peaceful application and jumpstart humanity's technological progress by hundreds or even thousands of years.
 
What technologies only have peaceful applications?
 
Enhanced crops, chemical fertilizers, medical diagnostics, etc. I doubt those technologies would have military applications apparent to these ancients.
 
Sure they would. Increased populations mean more manpower for war, and the quest for greater manpower was the basis for what few social reforms actually were put in place. Might even lead to increased warfare between states, now that they have greater resources with which to do it.
 
There must be some technologies that can't be used for war. Astronomical telescopes are an example.
 
I'd go back in time to Quebec on December 31, 1775, with several modern explosive/demolition charges, and use carefully timed demolition/explosion to blow up the defenses right under Carleton's legs, allowing Montgomery and Arnold to take the city.

Then help set up a Quebec convention, and talks the Quebec common population (as opposed to the elites, which were pro-British, and tried to influence the population in that direction) into turning their sympathies toward the revolution (which were very real) into openly joining as the fourteenth colony.

Having Quebec take up arms willingly and of their own free will alongside English-speaking people (and getting out of the shadow of the British Crown ASAP) would probably wind up with a far more stable country that the mess we have now - particularly as fighting a revolutionary war together would tend to forge much stronger bond than anything English- and French- Canada have ever done together.

(Probably also avoid the 150 years of British Elites/Roman Catholic Church unholy alliance Quebec had to put up with.)

In addition, given the strong pro-French sympathies in the early United States (thanks to France helping the revolution along), getting a few pro-French policies passed into law early on, setting the framework for other languages to have a place in America (like that law that was considered, but never voted on, to have laws printed in German, too; only in this case it would be voted on and passed, and it woudl be French, not German), instead of establishing English-only as the statu quo.

It would probably be something of a work in progress, needing further tweaking to reduce the likelihood of wholesale assimilation, but still interesting.

(and of course, even if, somehow, after all that, the 2000 elections is still Bush v Gore with everyone voting as they did and Florida still unable to figure out how voting ballots work...well, Quebec make sure Gore wins anyway, and Florida is nothing but a laughing stock, instead of settign the stage for a Bush presidency)
 
Maybe explain the proverb 'don't put all your eggs in one basket' to a certain Brigadier Thompson...

Seriously, what about shipping out SETI to 2000 BC? By now they'd have something.
 
I'd go back in time to Quebec on December 31, 1775, with several modern explosive/demolition charges, and use carefully timed demolition/explosion to blow up the defenses right under Carleton's legs, allowing Montgomery and Arnold to take the city.

Then help set up a Quebec convention, and talks the Quebec common population (as opposed to the elites, which were pro-British, and tried to influence the population in that direction) into turning their sympathies toward the revolution (which were very real) into openly joining as the fourteenth colony.

Having Quebec take up arms willingly and of their own free will alongside English-speaking people (and getting out of the shadow of the British Crown ASAP) would probably wind up with a far more stable country that the mess we have now - particularly as fighting a revolutionary war together would tend to forge much stronger bond than anything English- and French- Canada have ever done together.

(Probably also avoid the 150 years of British Elites/Roman Catholic Church unholy alliance Quebec had to put up with.)

In addition, given the strong pro-French sympathies in the early United States (thanks to France helping the revolution along), getting a few pro-French policies passed into law early on, setting the framework for other languages to have a place in America (like that law that was considered, but never voted on, to have laws printed in German, too; only in this case it would be voted on and passed, and it woudl be French, not German), instead of establishing English-only as the statu quo.

It would probably be something of a work in progress, needing further tweaking to reduce the likelihood of wholesale assimilation, but still interesting.

(and of course, even if, somehow, after all that, the 2000 elections is still Bush v Gore with everyone voting as they did and Florida still unable to figure out how voting ballots work...well, Quebec make sure Gore wins anyway, and Florida is nothing but a laughing stock, instead of settign the stage for a Bush presidency)

Sure - fight alongside the historic enemies of New France, (that came from the same colonies a scant 15 years earlier) and see how well they tolerate your 'special status'. I think that might be why things DID turn out the way they did.
 
Enhanced crops, chemical fertilizers, medical diagnostics, etc. I doubt those technologies would have military applications apparent to these ancients.

I remember somebody saying that the moldboard plow led to the Crusades (I think it was in one of Asimov's science articles). It allowed a greater amount of food to be produced, with the addition being unevenly distributed and skewed towards the nobility. This resulted in more noble children surviving to adulthood and thus being in contention for a limited number of estates, with the resultant increase in unlanded secondary nobility that added tensions to Western Europe. The Pope then could redirect that potentially dangerous force and send it to "free" the Holy Land.

Chemical fertilizers and defoliants are close, so maybe Agent Orange could have been used during the Punic Wars.

Without the fear of pestilance (which often used to kill more than battle did), sieges and long campaigns would be easier for generals to embark upon.
 
If Hitler wasn't the driving force behind reform, who or what was?

Spoiler :
While I'm on the topic, Speer serves as a good example of how Hitler was not a particularly good leader, and how this was almost put into practice. Whilst others were a calming influence on Hitler's gargantuan plans, Speer egged him on with his fantasies. For example, the Great Hall that was to be built in the new capital, Germania, near where the Reichstag stood, was exaggerated by Hitler and Speer, combined, to the level at which it was to be built with a 300m high dome. This would:
a) Cause clouds to form in the top of the dome when the arena was filled, and
b) Deafen anyone listening to Hitler speaking, due to the noise reverberation.
Not to mention the structural problems such as the bog it was to be built on. But these obvious concerns didn't bother Hitler, who went on with the plan at the behest of Speer (although it was never completed). Basically, his judgement was severely impaired by his fantasies of grandeur.
I now know my mission in life.
 
... had he conquered Europe he could have built whatever he wanted indeed to do anything less would have been an exemplary show of will power. How exactly are these concerns obvious? I didn't know Hitler was an architect? And if Speer wanted to egg on Hitlers grandiose architectural desires it makes sense to me considering the patronage like system which operated, and who would have benefited from the architectural munificence of Hitler in any case? Further context would be desired

This structure would not be sound, architecturally, and is indicative of both Speer's and Hitler's delusions of grandeur (I say delusions, not in the sense of power, but of architectural colossuses). It shows that both he and Speer had severely impaired judgement, indicating his lack of leadership ability.

As Joachim Fest puts it, "Speer was what Hitler would have wanted to be if he didn't go into politics." That is, a megalomaniacal architect. Now, Speer would have been the one to benefit from Hitler's architectural excesses due to the patronage system, as you state, and so it can be seen that Speer successfully manipulated Hitler's architectural ambitions in order to gain more power (which he did, becoming the heir presumptive to Hitler in the forties). Now, this not only shows Speer's lust for power über alles, including his architectural integrity, but also shows that Hitler was a leader that could be successfully manipulated, without too much trouble, due to impaired judgement, no less, showing that he wasn't a very good leader at all, putting aside the crimes against humanity, etc.

If Hitler wasn't the driving force behind reform, who or what was?

I don't really know what you mean by reform, but if you mean getting Germany out of the Great Depression, that probably had more to do with Foreign Policy than Economic Policy. Huge spending was made in the economy, on the military, in order to fulfil the ambitions of conquest that Hitler had. So, I'd say that while the economic recovery can be attributed to Hitler, it was more of a side-effect to his policy than the object of them.

As for the rest of the Nazi's economic policy, that was put in the hands of others, namely Hjalmar Schacht, Goering, and later Todt and Speer. Particularly in the earlier years, Schacht, who was a banker (and eventually got sent to a concentration camp) controlled the economy. Basically, Hitler had no interest in the German economy, other than that it produce weapons for his war machine, and his foreign policy ambitions.


I now know my mission in life.

Yeah, I must admit it would be pretty neat, but it was completely and outrageously unrealistic and unachievable (or unusable).
 
Sure - fight alongside the historic enemies of New France, (that came from the same colonies a scant 15 years earlier) and see how well they tolerate your 'special status'. I think that might be why things DID turn out the way they did.

The "historic enemy of New France" invited Quebecers to join in their revolution, and the (common) people of New France were generally sympathetic (if hesitant to act at first). Besides which, what's the alternative? The choice wasn't hanging out with Americans or not hanging out with Americans; it was "Hanging out with Americans who want to flip off king Georges" or "Hanging out with Americans who want to lick Georges' toes clean" (aka the loyalist, aka proto-English-Canadians).

I mean, sure, Americans are aggravating and all, but people who are BOTH American and Brits? Save me, God! ( :-p )

Also, the traditional enmity was actually fairly recent - and mostly the results of wars decided in Paris and London. The only case of actual rivalry was the War of Conquest/French and Indian War, which started here; and that was because both nation wanted access to the Ohio...which obviously both would have if they were, you know, a single nation. Possibly some of the status guaranteed by the Quebec proclamation would be gone, but meh. Most of what we'd have lost from the Act of Quebec was either stuff we lost anyway (eg, the Great Lakes) after the revolution and subsequent loyalist immigration, or stuff Quebec would have been better off without (laws respecting the Catholic church; Seigneurial system).

The French language would have been about the only thing that mattered, and French, thanks to the whole "France helping out" thing in the revolutionary war, was very popular in the early States. Add in a French-speaking founding state, and it doesn't seem particularly out there to think French may be afforded some amount of respect in US legal procedure - not full bilingualism, of course, but meh. Full legal bilingualism isn't what it cracked up to be anyway.
 
I don't really know what you mean by reform, but if you mean getting Germany out of the Great Depression, that probably had more to do with Foreign Policy than Economic Policy. Huge spending was made in the economy, on the military, in order to fulfil the ambitions of conquest that Hitler had. So, I'd say that while the economic recovery can be attributed to Hitler, it was more of a side-effect to his policy than the object of them.

As for the rest of the Nazi's economic policy, that was put in the hands of others, namely Hjalmar Schacht, Goering, and later Todt and Speer. Particularly in the earlier years, Schacht, who was a banker (and eventually got sent to a concentration camp) controlled the economy. Basically, Hitler had no interest in the German economy, other than that it produce weapons for his war machine, and his foreign policy ambitions.

Ah ok then. So Hitler should not be accredited with leading Germany out of the depression then?

Yeah, I must admit it would be pretty neat, but it was completely and outrageously unrealistic and unachievable (or unusable).

That is irrelevant. I will MAKE it happen. :nya:
 
this structure would not be sound, architecturally, and is indicative of both speer's and hitler's delusions of grandeur (i say delusions, not in the sense of power, but of architectural colossuses). It shows that both he and speer had severely impaired judgement, indicating his lack of leadership ability.

hitler was a great leader and politician - shame about the politics.

GAHH!!
Can't...make...accurate...decision!! :crazyeye:
 
Hitler was a shrewd political strategist, and an impassioned orator, who with popular support was able to accomplish some good things, but he misjudged the allies on the road to WWII. His decisions became erratic and his leadership ability steadily weakened, actually directly contributing to Germany's demise. So up to 1938 - yeah he probably has a good enough record, before the worst atrocities. But in no way does he get a glowing review overall, even without the worst atrocities.
 
GAHH!!
Can't...make...accurate...decision!! :crazyeye:

Well, both can be true. He was a great leader of the Nazi organisation in the sense that he was able to attract so many people to the movement (charismatic oratory, demagogic themes) and was able to be a great figurehead, but he lacked leadership ability, in that his decision making was very often not based on sound reasoning, or realistic possibilities.
 
There are several points I would consider changing though I would want some time to consider them carefully. I will come back to all of this later but my general idea is to solidify great powers and groups of mid-level powers, and break up the weaker nations to reduce/prevent the ethnic conflicts that threaten world peace.

One might be to allow Japan to continue occupying Korea as it democratized, so that the Korean war would be prevented and Korea would never have been partitioned. Of course Korea would then become independent in the same time scales as the British left their colonies. That would then have (Unified? but in this case never divided) Korea & Japan as solidly democratic economic and military powerhouses effectively controlling the region. Alternately simply to prevent the Korean war from occuring to make a stronger Korea, though that alone might have pressed the issue and caused greater damage.

Several other changes including having Egypt and Syria continue as the UAR with Lebanon and Jordan joining later so that would have destroyed the Baath party early on and kept the radical fundamentalists at bay, a Jewish homeland instead being carved into/from Czechoslovakia, etc. The one standing out most now would be to somehow change the politics in Sri Lanka so the Tamil would have been allowed independence without the bloody war that only just ended, and that still leaves that question open. That requires some more thought.
 
Hmm democratic Japan would have serious problems to keep Korea. However its true that there is not much space for worse consequences than was real history.
 
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