Huge US attack begins in Afghanistan

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Thousands of American and Afghan troops have launched the biggest offensive in Afghanistan since the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001, the US military says.

Helicopter-borne US marines and Afghan troops are attacking the Taliban-held town of Marjah in Nad Ali district in a bid to re-establish government control.

Nato says Marjah is home to the biggest community under insurgent control in the south and 400 to 1,000 militants.

Many residents fled ahead of Operation Moshtarak - meaning "together" in Dari.

Nato had distributed leaflets in the Marjah area warning of the planned offensive. Villagers said they contained the names of several alleged militant commanders and told fighters to leave the area.

On Friday, British forces began a "softening up" process, taking part in a Nato ground and air offensive in Helmand province.

Operation Moshtarak will be led by the US Marine Corps, but British troops will also be involved, supported by Danes and Estonians. Some reports say more than 15,000 troops in total will be sent to the area.


MARJAH: 'TALIBAN STRONGHOLD'
Town and district about 40km (25 miles) south-west of Lashkar Gah
Lies in Helmand's 'Green Zone' - an irrigated area of lush vegetation and farmland
Last remaining major Taliban stronghold in southern Helmand
Area considered a centre for assembling roadside bombs
Key supply centre for opium poppies - lucrative revenue source for Taliban
Estimates of Taliban numbers range up to 1,000
Population of Marjah town put at 80,000 while the whole of Marjah district is thought to have 125,000

UK forces 'soften up' Taliban targets

The initial offensive in Marjah on Saturday saw more than 4,000 US marines, 1,500 Afghan soldiers and 300 US soldiers move in by helicopter.

The assault was preceded by illumination flares, which were fired over the town at about 0200 (2130 GMT), the Associated Press reported.

"The first wave of choppers has landed inside Marjah. The operation has begun," said Capt Joshua Winfrey, commander of Lima Company, 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines, which was at the forefront of the attack.

For the first time Afghan forces have been at the forefront of planning and will share the burden of the fighting. Afghan police will provide support after the initial military operations end.

The BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington says the offensive has political importance because it is by far the largest single operation since US President Barack Obama announced a "surge" in December, pumping an extra 30,000 troops into the country.

Marjah, which lies in Helmand's 'Green Zone' - an irrigated area of lush vegetation and farmland - is a hive of Taliban activity and is a centre for cultivation of opium poppies.

Once the area is secured, Nato hopes to provide aid and to restore public services in the area. The aim, the alliance says, is to win support among the estimated 125,000 people who live there and prevent the Taliban from regaining control.

Should be a fairly one-sided affair, but the US needs a very convincing victory (i.e. it needs to not just win, but also lose very few soldiers, and few civilians deaths) and accompanying political progress. Definitely one to keep an eye on.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article7025889.ece

Allied troops launched a major, critical offensive into Afghanistan’s most violent province last night, part of President Obama’s push to seize control of the Taleban’s last big stronghold.

The US-led assault, including 4,000 British troops, is the first since Mr Obama ordered 35,000 extra troops to Afghanistan in December.

It is the start of a campaign to impose government control on rebel-held areas this year, before US forces start to withdraw by the President’s self-imposed 2011 deadline.

If it fails, many analysts believe the war will be lost.
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About 4,500 US Marines, 1,500 Afghan troops and 300 US soldiers are taking part in the offensive in Marjah, in Helmand province, a Taleban stronghold where British and American troops have suffered heavy casualties in the past year.

One local Taleban commander, Qari Fazluddin, told Reuters earlier in the day that some 2,000 men were ready to fight in Marjah, a densely populated area where the Taleban are able to merge with the civilian population, complicating the task in taking on the enemy.

The Taleban had clear warning of the offensive, which is the vanguard of Mr Obama’s last chance to bring the Taleban and al-Qaeda insurgency to heel. Afghan and international forces gearing up for the offensive dropped leaflets hours before the offensive began warning people not to give shelter to the Taleban.

Daud Ahmadi, spokesman for Helmand province, said the leaflets fell in and around the city of Marjah.

“Do not allow the Taleban to enter your home,” the leaflet said, a clear warning to the Taleban and civilians that the offensive was imminent.

The push on Marjah is touted as the largest of the eight-year-old conflict. Commanders want to oust militants and are planning for tough urban warfare in a rugged area expected to be filled with roadside bombs and booby-trapped houses. Mr Obama’s dispatch of 35,000 extra troops brings the number of US military in Afghanistan to more than 100,000. It came after months of often agonised reviews with his war cabinet in Washington.

If the offensive founders and becomes bogged down with a rising death toll, the political consequences for Mr Obama in the US could be dire.

“I think some of our units will go into some very heavy contact and I think some of our units will have less contact. We don’t know,” US Marine Brigadier General Larry Nicholson told American and Afghan forces at Firebase Fiddler’s Green earlier this week. “We have done everything we can to prepare, and on the eve of this operation, I think we’re ready.”

For days, the military has publicised what they call the imminent start of Operation Mushtarak, the Dari word for Together. Troops also want to confront the region’s drug trafficking in Helmand, a major source of opium which is the biggest source of funding for the Taleban insurgency, which has grown increasingly lethal and sophisticated since last year.

Marjah is surrounded by fertile land where poppies grow easily, and the Afghan Government’s limited presence allows the drug trade to flourish.

The goal is to separate the Taleban fighters from the rest of Marjah’s 80,000 to 100,000 population, establish security and gain the trust of the remaining population — the key objectives of the US strategy.

One of he greatest obstacles is that classic counter-insurgency efforts such as this require much time, but the deadline set by Washington is extremely short, as is the patience of the war-weary US public.

“The population is looking for you, and the enemy is not the population,” General Nicholson told the Marines and Afghan troops.

“We have an enemy that will try to hide in that population. That’s why we’ve got to be very careful, and we’ve got to be very disciplined, and you’ve got to be very accurate.”
 
You are wrong on one thing. The casualties. While taking fewer casualties than normal is a plus, its a general rule you always take more on the offensive.

Case in point. The surge in Iraq resulted in increased causlties for almost 6 months in a row. That led many around here to say the surge was a failure....but it wasnt. It just took that amount of time for the real results of it to finally show.

My prediction. This is going to only be the first of several such pushes over the next months into summer. Each one will be important in its own way, but claiming that we fail if we take casualties just isnt realistic.
 
You are wrong on one thing. The casualties. While taking fewer casualties than normal is a plus, its a general rule you always take more on the offensive.

Case in point. The surge in Iraq resulted in increased causlties for almost 6 months in a row. That led many around here to say the surge was a failure....but it wasnt. It just took that amount of time for the real results of it to finally show.

My prediction. This is going to only be the first of several such pushes over the next months into summer. Each one will be important in its own way, but claiming that we fail if we take casualties just isnt realistic.

I'm not saying they cant take any casualties, I'm saying that when 15,000 troops form the worlds most powerful and advanced army attacks 1,000 religious fruitcakes, it should expect to win pretty damn easily.

I also think dropping leaflets telling people not to let Talebs in their houses is a huge waste of paper, I doubt the Taliban are going to ask politiely if they can come in.
 
I'm not saying they cant take any casualties, I'm saying that when 15,000 troops form the worlds most powerful and advanced army attacks 1,000 religious fruitcakes, it should expect to win pretty damn easily.

I also think dropping leaflets telling people not to let Talebs in their houses is a huge waste of paper, I doubt the Taliban are going to ask politiely if they can come in.

Think it's more of a warning to get the hell out of dodge because a giant ------- storm is coming your way.
 
The less Taleban, Al Queda and general insurgents wanting to blow up troops the better.
 
Think it's more of a warning to get the hell out of dodge because a giant ------- storm is coming your way.
My understanding is that we don't want civilians to leave. Creating ghost towns is not helpful to what we're trying to accomplish.
 
This has actually got me pretty excited, provided that it isn't just going to be a lame case of all the insurgents fleeing the region and the U.S./Afghan army fighting against a couple small pockets of resistance. That would be kinda anticlimactic.. and the insurgents would probably regroup and try to retake the town later.

For the first time Afghan forces have been at the forefront of planning and will share the burden of the fighting. Afghan police will provide support after the initial military operations end.

Good! If this operation is a success then that will hopefully give everyone a bit more confidence about this whole Afghanistan thing. I mean, if the Afghan forces are playing such a large role in this, and it's a success, they will probably be given more and more responsibilities as time goes on.. and if MobBoss is right about this being the first in a series of "pushes", then in a half a year maybe things will not be looking so bad.

Except that you still have the problem of not being to control the rural areas.. and only the cities.. but hey, at least it'd be progress.

If you're wondering, I'm excited about this thing because Iraq took so much focus off Afghanistan.. Ever since that war started I've felt that the U.S. has neglected Afghanistan a bit too much. Now they're finally doing something... that's good to see! Maybe all those Canadian soldiers died for something after all.
 
My understanding is that we don't want civilians to leave. Creating ghost towns is not helpful to what we're trying to accomplish.

You think? I know nothing about such matters, but my image of a milarty operation taking a town (city?) of 80,000 with the population still there sounds like my idea of hell, for an occupying force that wants to minimize civilan casuaties as well as the population.
 
Who's leading the attack again?

Tip of the spear baby.
 
I'm not saying they cant take any casualties, I'm saying that when 15,000 troops form the worlds most powerful and advanced army attacks 1,000 religious fruitcakes, it should expect to win pretty damn easily.

I also think dropping leaflets telling people not to let Talebs in their houses is a huge waste of paper, I doubt the Taliban are going to ask politiely if they can come in.

I'm sure there was a much more sophisticaed IO campaign than just dropping leaflets. Also, the enemy in Afghanistan is pretty sophisticated when it comes to tactics. Don't think they are unorganized gun waving fruitcakes.
 
After all, some of the very same gun waivers helped the US to defeat the Soviet Union backed government to bring the Taliban into power. Not to mention, some of the top Karzei officials were also officials under the government supported by the Soviet Union. It's hard at times to remember who the real enemy is in Afghanistan without a program.

But this is hopefully good news for the civilian population:

“We have an enemy that will try to hide in that population. That’s why we’ve got to be very careful, and we’ve got to be very disciplined, and you’ve got to be very accurate.”
I'd hate to see this turn into another Palestine or Fallujah.
 
There is a KFC in Fallujah. Just sayin, started out bad, turned out good. We studied it as an example of a great success, actually.

Don't know if Marjah is being fought the same way as Fallujah, but I'm sure they are applying some of the lessons learned.
 
I'd hate to see this turn into another Palestine or Fallujah.

Heh, fear the white phosphorous!!! :scan:

But like Capslock said, after all that Fallujah turned into a pretty quiet place.
 
I'm not saying they cant take any casualties, I'm saying that when 15,000 troops form the worlds most powerful and advanced army attacks 1,000 religious fruitcakes, it should expect to win pretty damn easily.
You obviously never saw 300. :D
 
Good luck to all the soldiers involved. :salute: May they all remain safe, and may the families of any who die be well taken care of.

Send those savages running back to their mommies!

This campaign, combined with Iraq, if successful, will probably help Obama win re-election.

A KFC is a sign of sucess?

Don't dis the KFC, dawg!

...Though only one fast food restaurant is anti-free market. We need Wendy's, Burger King, and McDonald's, so that it's worth the investment to calculate the expansion rate in the average Afghan's ass!
 
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