Human v2

[ArneHD]

Human version 2. BBC documentary:

Human v2

Where do you stand? Do you think that the Mind/Machine meld will be our salvation? Or do you think that the dangers will destroy us?

I stand firmly in favour of such research, this might be our ultimate salvation, mixing the mind and machine, we could become nearly immortal. And it would make playing civilization a lot more interesting.

 

[Winner]

Human version 2. BBC documentary:

Human v2

Where do you stand? Do you think that the Mind/Machine meld will be our salvation? Or do you think that the dangers will destroy us?

I stand firmly in favour of such research, this might be our ultimate salvation, mixing the mind and machine, we could become nearly immortal. And it would make playing civilization a lot more interesting.

I'd rather go for genetic engineering.

 

[Perfection]

Why not both?

 

[ArneHD]

I'd rather go for genetic engineering.

Genetic engineering is, as far as I know, only applicable to the new generation. You may call me selfish, but I intend to achive imortality, not through my work, but by not dying.

 

[Winner]

Genetic engineering is, as far as I know, only applicable to the new generation. You may call me selfish, but I intend to achive imortality, not through my work, but by not dying.

Biochemisty is what makes us human. If we become half-machines, we won't be humans anymore.

And I think there is something called gene therapy, we just need to make it more effective

 

[Perfection]

Biochemisty is what makes us human. If we become half-machines, we won't be humans anymore.

Nah, sentience is what makes us human, not biochemistry.

 

[JonnyB]

I welcome the chance to become the Borg
This kind of research fascinates me, but I don't expect to see any kind of immortality in my lifetime.

 

[Winner]

Nah, sentience is what makes us human, not biochemistry.

That's a common mistake.

Biochemistry is everything. Our sentience is a result of biochemistry. Love, our moods, our personality itself is just biochemistry. Add few chemicals and you're happy. Take away some and you're sad. Spray yourselves with the right pheromones and women will go crazy about you.

There is nothing like disembodied sentience. It is possible, I guess, but it would have nothing in common with a real human being.

 

[ArneHD]

I welcome the chance to become the Borg
This kind of research fascinates me, but I don't expect to see any kind of immortality in my lifetime.

I think the BBC doc mentiones 2029 as a possible date for when this will occur.

 

[ArneHD]

That's a common mistake.

Biochemistry is everything. Our sentience is a result of biochemistry. Love, our moods, our personality itself is just biochemistry. Add few chemicals and you're happy. Take away some and you're sad. Spray yourselves with the right pheromones and women will go crazy about you.

There is nothing like disembodied sentience. It is possible, I guess, but it would have nothing in common with a real human being.

Then what prevent's a biomechanical brain, or a computer augumented brain (like CABAL from C&C)?

 

[Winner]

Then what prevent's a biomechanical brain, or a computer augumented brain (like CABAL from C&C)?

I don't know

Don't take me wrong, I wouldn't mind few things in my brain, that would make it better, but I don't think we should become cyborgs.

 

[Perfection]

Biochemistry is everything. Our sentience is a result of biochemistry. Love, our moods, our personality itself is just biochemistry. Add few chemicals and you're happy. Take away some and you're sad. Spray yourselves with the right pheromones and women will go crazy about you.

No, it's the patterns in the biochemistry that is important. An adding machine is an adding machine weather it is mechanical or electrical. The patterns are important not the medium they are on.

There is nothing like disembodied sentience. It is possible, I guess, but it would have nothing in common with a real human being.

Sure it could, if the patterns were the same.

That said, MMI (mind machine interfacing) is possible in the near term (and is already being done), but I don't forsee any way to get around that mass of meat for quite awhile. As the architecture of the brain is signficiantly different from a computer it would be very difficult to find analogous hardware/software componants.

 

[JonnyB]

I think the BBC doc mentiones 2029 as a possible date for when this will occur.

It stopped loading at the 6 minute mark for me, I'll try and watch the full video when I can.

2029 sounds early to me, according to some scientists I should be vacationing on the moon and flying in hovercars and jetpacks by now.

 

[Perfection]

I don't know

Don't take me wrong, I wouldn't mind few things in my brain, that would make it better, but I don't think we should become cyborgs.

Cyborgs already exist.

 

[ArneHD]

2029 sounds early to me, according to some scientists I should be vacationing on the moon and flying in hovercars and jetpacks by now.

Well, both jetpacks and hovercars exist, sort of. I think it is not down to the technology, but it's practical and commerical applications. There are still places to go on the earth that are much more exiting than going to the moon and are cheaper, so why cater to a VERY small and very expensive niche?

 

[Perfection]

I think it is not down to the technology, but it's practical and commerical applications.

Practical and commercial applications are technology.

 

[ArneHD]

Practical and commercial applications are technology.

Tell that to theoretical phyicists.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep now.

 

[JonnyB]

Well, both jetpacks and hovercars exist, sort of. I think it is not down to the technology, but it's practical and commerical applications. There are still places to go on the earth that are much more exiting than going to the moon and are cheaper, so why cater to a VERY small and very expensive niche?

I know, I was just using that as an example of how predictions of advancements tend to be very optimistic.

BTW can I sign up to be a Beta tester for some of these implants?

 

[ArneHD]

I know, I was just using that as an example of how predictions of advancements tend to be very optimistic.

BTW can I sign up to be a Beta tester for some of these implants?

Anywhere hit by the Unabomber, might be a good place to start.

 

[Perfection]

Tell that to theoretical phyicists.

Why would they disagree?