I don't agree with them but....

A question for all of you saying that war is wrong, do ANY of you disagree with Afghanistan, because not many agree with you if that's the case...
Well, that's why we don't base our decisions on a book written more than two thousand years ago. Because based on the Bible this war was wrong.

I also may remind you that there was a UN mandate for Afghanistan, while there would be no such thing for your crazy Iranian invasion plans.
 
Republicans only turn the other cheek if they don't ask nor tell.

EDIT: I agreed with Afghanistan, like most Europeans, but you botched it like you do always and now we have more than a thousand dead I think.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Was it Iraq that you disagreed with?

Also, I wouldn't be confident of England not helping if we invaded Iran.
 
Please stop that frickin smiley walls! :mad:
 
Yep, Iraq. Nearly everyone disagreed with that and Tony Blair resigned, don't you remember?

Of course we will never believe you again if you try warmongering. Are you on acid?
 
:Also, I wouldn't be confident of England not helping if we invaded Iran.

Really? I can honestly say our opinion of Americans is so low at the moment that there's almost no chance of us helping you even if you had a legitimate reason to invade
 
I dunno, Obama is a charismatic guy.
 
Just for snits and giggles, Dom, how do you see the invasion and aftermath of Iran going?

Mission Accomplished in 6 weeks? A fullblown democracy (I'm sorry, REPUBLIC!) in a couple years? Stability, nuclear or otherwise across the middle east?
 
Domination: "The Bible doesn't contradict itself."
>>It does all over the place. I beleive someone posted earlier in this thread that the 4 gospels can't really agree on exactly Jesus was crucified, the most important part of the whole faith.

A bit off topic, but for me it doesn't matter that the bible contradicts itself. Its all allegorical for me.

Lastly Domination, you still have yet to prove how Iran having a nuke gives us proper cause to nuke them. During the height of the Cold War both US and Russia were complete enemies with large nuclear arsensals. By applying you Iran logic to Russia, shouldn't we have nuked them in case they chose to shoot a nuke off at us? Russia was far more likely to nuke us than Iran.
Also, in this war of yours, how would you pay for it? Disregarding all its other horrible parts, war is bloody expensive. America is already trillions of dollars in debt and thats just with two 'police actions'.
 
Domination just doesn't seem to listen, like the above poster said cutlass posted the contradictions in parts of the Gospels early. The joke is Domination didn't even read it all.
He seems to treat his politics like his religion, it's all faith based with no actual fact.
 
:lol: Epic movie. A bit rude in spots but well deserved. It would be interesting to see how many of those contradictions emerged as a result of poor translation such as Jeromes edition.
 
:lol: Epic movie. A bit rude in spots but well deserved. It would be interesting to see how many of those contradictions emerged as a result of poor translation such as Jeromes edition.

Some could definitely be attributed to mistranslations, but others are outright contradictions no matter how you slice it. ANd in any event, if our translations of this text and so bungled to begin with, why would we ever take it as a literal translation of god's word anyhow??

Spoiler :
Of course, the real contradiction is in how God says he loves people but doesn't take the opportunity to help them, but I don't want to get this thing too OT...
 
Not really; the fact is, Iran actually does have real weapons, so noone, except the most moronic and simplistic of people would actually advocate a ground invasion of Iran.
I'm pretty sure the US government (or I hope to christ) are smart enough to realise this.

Iran ain't Iraq.

Don't see what the "anti-americanism" is here.
To my knowledge the Iraq was totally a match for the Iran during the first Gulf War, yet got steam-roled by the Western coalition afterwards.
I share the impression that the Iran grew stronger since then, while the Iraq rather grew weaker. And it is true as well to my knowledge that in case of a war with the Iran the population would be much more willing to defend its country than it was the case with Iraq. So yeah, an ground invasion would be a costly mess.
But at the end of the day the USA would wipe the floor with Iranian ass nevertheless. To beat them and to beat them bad is a non-issue. To be willing to pay a price which does hurt a little is the only one.

You don't see the anti-americanism? So what was that rant of yours about? Your neutral or favorable attitude towards the USA? This is not supposed to be blame. I am not using this term in the ideologically colored way you will find in the US.
 
But at the end of the day the USA would wipe the floor with Iranian ass nevertheless. To beat them and to beat them bad is a non-issue. To be willing to pay a price which does hurt a little is the only one.

Hurt "a little"? In dollars or lives, a ground invasion would be pretty pricey.

But on the subject of price, what on earth would be gained for that price? Certainly not security...
 
When talking about how Iran will get steamrolled, you have to remember basic geography. Most of Iran, especialy its borders, is a mountain while the important parts of Iraq are a flat as a pool table. It will be like Afghanistan but fighting a real govt with plenty of 70's era Soviet and American light weapons from the Iraq-Iran War. While there is no doubt AMerica would win an eventual war, it would be a phyrric victory.

ColdClimate, I'm loving those NotStampCollector videos you linked to. God: "They will know something is allegorical because it is false and something is real because it is true."
 
To my knowledge the Iraq was totally a match for the Iran during the first Gulf War, yet got steam-roled by the Western coalition afterwards.
They were, more or less, and both country's militaries were effectively destroyed during that war. Holwever, Iran is a more populated country than Iraq, and, if you remember, the Iranians are hideously patriotic; their university students marched out across battlefields, completely unarmed apart from bombs strapped to themselves, to destroy Iraqi tanks.

I share the impression that the Iran grew stronger since then, while the Iraq rather grew weaker.
Sanctions, and popular support.
After the war, and indeed Gulf War 1, the Iraqis were always under intense scrutiny and did nto really have any real foreign support;
the Iranians were never sanctioned, were supplied by the USSR, and actually formed their own, surprisingly modern, arms industry.
And it is true as well to my knowledge that in case of a war with the Iran the population would be much more willing to defend its country than it was the case with Iraq. So yeah, an ground invasion would be a costly mess.
But at the end of the day the USA would wipe the floor with Iranian ass nevertheless. To beat them and to beat them bad is a non-issue. To be willing to pay a price which does hurt a little is the only one.
I'm not so sure, you know.
The Americans can't even handle Iraq or Afghanistan, and they're both countries which should fall easier than Iran.

Iraq is a quite westernised country where a lot of the populace would have welcomed the "coalition", had a proper plan of integration and non-occupation invovling the Ba'ath party been put in place.
Iraq had no tanks, no airforce, a military which couldn't even supply boots to their troops, no real military at all, and while the Americans won the initial battles incredibly quickly, the Americans just can't "do" urban or assymetric warfare.

Afghanistan is a country with no miltitary, where the people fighting the US can't even shoot and where there are regions of significant support for foreign troops.

Iran, however, has a well equipped army, is hugely mountanous, has a navy, tanks, ari force, elite units, back up plans, and even more terrifying for the americans....the Persians are almost as patriotic as they are

You don't see the anti-americanism? So what was that rant of yours about? Your neutral or favorable attitude towards the USA? This is not supposed to be blame. I am not using this term in the ideologically colored way you will find in the US.
I see legitimate criticism of a country that arrogantly considers itself the world police, that endangers the lives, or indeed takes them, of thousands of peopel every year, who uses my country as a tool in its nefarious plans, who has implicated me and my people in the wholesale murder of the Iraqis, a country which endangers my life and the lives of people I hold dear by virtue of spreading a rife hatred of the west, and of me and my people around the world.

I'm not anti American, that would be me hating America on account of it being American. I have absolutely no respect for America, however, because it would sooner blow us all to hell for a quick buck or to spread their ideology.

He who would destroy my integrity, and endanger my life is a tyrant and usurper.
 
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