I Fancy trying a zwk PBEM game.

[Darius]

Well let's put it this way, I guess I'd rather have sas play just based on punctuality, since he replied promptly although I didn't tell him to, and meanwhile oubai didn't reply at all when I did tell him to. Let's just say it's sas.

Yeah, pap's been a tad behind on a game or two I'm in with him, but I didn't really want to say it. Just got to be insistent enough to pm him on his turns.

And yes, still willem's turn, I'll pm him or let him know on a game I'm on with him. Then sas'll be up.

 

[willemvanoranje]

sorry I let you guys wait so long

 

[pap1723]

Guys, sorry I had been behind. I just got finished with my finals the past 2 weeks. Things will be a lot better from here on out.

In the Axis turn:

Cities tanken:
Zurich
Brussels

German troops also push forward in the East, despite lying to the Polish and Russians about wanting to avoid a war!

Fuhrer Rudolph Hess declares we will not back down from any coutnry that makes threats towards us.

Pap

 

[Darius]

Stalin, while possibly drunk again, is outraged. He ignores the whines of those generals he didn't kill in the purges and declares war on Germany, and rallies his troops for an all-out death struggle. I suggest Hess look at a map, and simply accept that the massive mother Russia is simply unconquerable. Especially considering that you still have not yet won in France and must suffer a two front war, and therefore virtually the only forces you can commit to Russian conquest are the petty scraps originally earmarked only for the militias of Poland. I hope you're prepared to accept so many millions of brutal deaths on both sides all to own the pathetic agrarian rabblement that once was Poland. Be ready.

In case you foolishly attacked thinking I wouldn't commit, I am willing to forgive and forget if you give me all Polish cities you have taken, allow me to take those which the Minor Allies still have, and you give me the technology of Panzer III. If you do not agree, prepare to face complete destruction. Complete destruction all for the measly 30 or so shields you get out of Poland.

P.S. Since the honorable Minor Axis have maintained neutrality toward Greece, we have not and will not declare war on them as long as they still follow the rules outlined earlier. This includes Poland, by the way. I hope not to see Minor Axis tanks within the Polish infringement lines, even if the Poland in question is under German occupation.

I'm going to enjoy watching you die, Mr. Hess.

 

[sas]

The Allies Continues its preparations for the attack on Germany.
Condolances goes to the families of the fallen French soldiers.

*Axis sub sunk in the North Sea
*Allied Air Raid near Dunkirk


-Sas-

 

[tonyuk_58]

sorry all, didn't realise there was a reply to the post, (someone had read my mail and didn't tell me of the posting) My move will be made soon.

 

[tonyuk_58]

* minor allied troops in Toulon have been eliminated.

 

[Darius]

So are we at peace as I had hoped, Tonyuk?

 

[Darius]

We have something of a technical problem. Although I don't like disclosing this information where the enemy can hear, I have to tell everybody. Sas sent me some tanks and a spitfire, and in my turn I saw that the tanks ended up in Novgorod. However, instead of a spitfire a Wehrmacht division somehow was there instead. Also, I somehow have the axis technology, allowing me to build more Wehrmacht divisions, torpedoes, and U-boats. At first I though perhaps my AI negotiated with the Axis AI between turns or something, but if that were so then the Spitfire would be there! Can anyone make sense of this?

If it is just inexplicable, I am willing to just not build any Axis units and not study anything in their tech tree rather than have us all redo our turns. That would be a solution, and I can live without the spitfire. In case you guys agree to this, I threw my turn together:

- Kamikaze I-16's destroy one Axis He-111. Doesn't seem like much, but I doubt the Germans have committed more than two to the east, considering they were only planning on invading Poland

- The realization that Moscow cannot grow without a good subway system prompts city leaders to reposition workers to more industrial positions, and Moscow is now the most productive city in all of Europe and America.

- Massive industrialization continues.

- Italian AI declares war on the Soviet Union, but I am willing to keep peace until I have Tonyuk's decision.

 

[tonyuk_58]

We wish to keep peace with our russian friends as without your vodka trading routes I would not be able to function correctly as a leader (Italian wine has never been satisfiying enough). To add more realism to my understanding of the Italians part in the war, I have started to work part-time in a pizza resturant to gain more inside knowelege. (humm.... pepperoni!).

 

[Darius]

Eeeeeexcellent. Now just waiting on Tim.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally posted by pap1723
German troops also push forward in the East, despite lying to the Polish and Russians about wanting to avoid a war!

The Polish leadership has gone into exile to avoid execution at the hands of the Nazis. However, they managed to issue a statement to the press. That statement was as follows:

“Poland’s worst fears of a Nazi invasion were realized, but we horribly underestimated the depths of cruelty and evil to which they could sink. Despite assurances that they had no plans continue their unwarranted assault on Poland, the Nazi army continues to flow into Poland - an unstoppable river of death destroying all that it encounters. Already, nearly a quarter of a million civilians have been killed in air raids on Warsaw alone.

“The way Mr. Hess gleefully boasts of his deception and his lies to peaceful, civilized nations such as ours, should serve as a clarion call to all nations that believe they can conduct honest diplomatic discussions with him. Even those nations Germany calls its friends should be on their guard, for Mr. Hess is deadly quick with the blade when one’s back is turned.

“The people of Poland wish to warn those nations who choose to strike a deal with the devil in Berlin that you should expect to ultimately be betrayed. He has already seized control of nations who have declared neutrality, such as Belgium and the Netherlands, and there are reports that cities in other neutral nations are no longer able to defend themselves. The independent nation of Switzerland has been occupied; will Spain be next? Or will it be Sweden, or Turkey?

“How long will it take before his greedy eyes turn toward the glorious cities of Italy, or the production capacity and southern approach into Russia from Hungary, Bulgaria, and Romania? You sacrifice your young men fighting to protect the southern flank of Germany while the citizens of peaceful nations in the North are slaughtered. We ask you to consider what your fate will be once the current fronts stabilize and the murderering Nazis go looking for yet another nation to molest. Perhaps you should look more at guarding your German borders than your others.

”Do not make the same mistake that Poland made in believing the words of Hess. If you make a deal with the devil, you will always lose your soul.”

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

I found a slight problem with the Lazyciv2 application. It is unable to resolve a situation that occurs in one of my cities. I lose half the shields in the city in a production switch by the AI. Because of this, I would not be able to complete anything in that city as long as it happens. That is unacceptable, particularly because it is a critical city.

I sent a message describing the problem to Xin Yu but he said he is busy and will probably not be able to look at the Lazyciv program until probably the end of the month. His suggestion was to hex edit the save file to restore the proper shield level in that city.

I wanted to make sure everyone was aware that I had to edit the file, so that there are no issues if it became known later that I had done so. I don’t like doing it, but I have no other recourse unless Lazyciv is modified. I will only use this in a case where the AI has taken away shields. As near as I can tell, that only happens in this one particular circumstance, which should be easy to spot. If shield levels have not been reduced when the AI switches production (which is the case most of the time), I obviously won’t edit the file. As far as I can tell, it will probably only affect one city. All I will do is set the shield count back up to what it was when I ended my previous turn.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Update from Poland

Originally posted by Darius
- Kamikaze I-16's destroy one Axis He-111. Doesn't seem like much, but I doubt the Germans have committed more than two to the east, considering they were only planning on invading Poland

The leaders of Poland commend the brave Soviet pilots who gave their lives to help defend Poland. However, there is confusion and hysteria amongst the Polish military. Assured by our diplomats that no further attacks were imminent, the troops were unprepared for the sudden, furious attack. Heavy losses were reported in Warsaw (where Axis bombing has also killed over 200,000 civilians), and NE of Katowice. The military is confused and bewildered and the citizens are in a panic as they face the onslaught of the Axis. The situation is dire. We hold no hope for Poland as an independent nation. We only hope that our friends to the East will continue on their current course and exact revenge from those who murder our children.

Update from France

Originally posted by sas
Condolances goes to the families of the fallen French soldiers.

*Axis sub sunk in the North Sea
*Allied Air Raid near Dunkirk

The French people greatly appreciate the support of our British friends.

To the credit of our brave militia, Germany and Italy have been unable to gain control of any French city, despite weeks of vicious attacks. However, we fear that will change within the next two weeks. The murderers from these Axis nations have already killed countless soldiers and civilians throughout the Northern and Eastern regions of France and our defenses are stretching thin. In the past two weeks alone, losses were reported in Dunkirk, Rheims, Lyons, and Toulon. An Italian Panzer II Division and one other (presumably also a Panzer II) division was caught offguard outside Toulon. A capital ship headed toward Nantes found a German U-boat lurking just off shore, presumably there to disrupt Atlantic shipping into Western France. The sub and what we presume to be 3 torpedoes were sunk. We attempt to prepare for the worst, but we are not sure how much longer we can withstand this brutal assault.

Update from North Africa
We remain quite busy counting our camels.

Update from Greece
The Greek people watch the events throughout the rest of Europe with horror and fear. We maintain our peaceful position and simply pray that Germany and the other Axis nations refrain from violating our borders.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally posted by Darius
We have something of a technical problem. Although I don't like disclosing this information where the enemy can hear, I have to tell everybody. Sas sent me some tanks and a spitfire, and in my turn I saw that the tanks ended up in Novgorod. However, instead of a spitfire a Wehrmacht division somehow was there instead. Also, I somehow have the axis technology, allowing me to build more Wehrmacht divisions, torpedoes, and U-boats. At first I though perhaps my AI negotiated with the Axis AI between turns or something, but if that were so then the Spitfire would be there! Can anyone make sense of this?

This doesn't make any more sense of it, but I have just seen the same thing happen. I was doing a hot seat game to do some testing on the Torpedo event for the "evolution of the rules" thread and i gifted an allied division to the minor allies. It caused a breakthrough in minor allied science and I was quite surpised to see the message that it gave them knowledge of Axis! Sure enough, I go to the minor allies next turn and they've got a wehrmacht division where the allied division should be and the science advisor says they've got "Axis". I did another test and the same thing happened - give minor allies Allied division, they get Axis. I tried a few tests with spitfires and with giving units to the soviets and it seemed to work normally for several tries. I was about to give up, then I did another test and giving a spitfire and Allied division to the soviets worked ok, but giving an M3 caused the soviets to get Axis.

I can not figure out what causes the problem, or predict when it will happen, but evidently it just freaks out every once in a while and gives Wehrmacht and Axis instead of the correct unit and tech. I think the important thing is that this shows it is not a case of AI's talking to each other because I saw the tech given was axis. It is also not a scenario version issue because it happens for me in a hot seat game where the version is obviously the same for all civs.

 

[Darius]

Huh. I guess that settles it. For now I'll just make no use of the Axis tech, and we can't gift anymore. I hope Kobayashi's looking through the thread; maybe he knows.

 

[Darius]

Need pap's turn unless he's leaving this one like he has a few others. No problem really, but we need to know in case we need a new player.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Ok, this is sad. In zwk#6, which was started a full 11 days after this one, the Axis are posting their week 6 results.

Guys, we've just been lapped!!!

 

[Darius]

Well, the man's got finals. Seems like everyone does about now; I'm sure in a week or so all of em will get going.

 

[pap1723]

i'll play tomorrow guys, i have the end of school now, and there is finals, and papers.

Pap