The ones that take Dobson seriously are hoping Newt Gingrich enters the race.
I think I may vote Republican next year...
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twansalem
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If Guiliani get the Republican nomination, this may be enough to make me not vote at all.
PrincepsAmerica
Nothingness made flesh
Come on....ain't he a charmer?
I mean, sure, he's a creepy authoritarian who gets his rocks off publically humiliating his wife and kids to play around with the young stuff. But Guiliani also supports using public funds to pay for some abortions, and I have to admit, that may just be enough to get my vote. Personally, I find abortion to be an option of very last resort, but I'm intruiged by the idea of world where a Republican President openly carries a torch for safe access to abortion. Can you imagine such a political reversal? It might just be enough to bury this aspect of the culture war for good. Granted, pulling a level marked 'R' would probably strip away what little of my immortal soul remains, but if it means we could actually have Senate confirmation hearings for USSC justices that dealt with something other than Roe vs. Wade, it might just be worth it.
So I guess you really are just nominally Catholic, as you said a while back. I wasn't sure before.
Little Raven
On Walkabout
I'm an American Catholic, and as such, I tend to break from Rome on a lot of things. (Birth control is a big one.) The Church and I are closer on abortion; I see it as a very negative thing and can't imagine being a part of one in anything but the most radical of situations. That said, I believe it should be legal, and that the Church should stay the hell out of politics. History shows that particular intermingling brings out the worst of both worlds.
I'd rather vote for a third party, or heck, write in Daffy Duck, than vote for Giuliani. I can't believe he's a serious contender; running him is a very stupid idea that's liable to destroy the Republican party as anything even resembling a opposition to the Democrats. But hey, we're all screwed anyway, so what the heck.Probably. I've slept since then, though. And in my defense, he's hitting the front page of CNN again today. Monkey see, monkey post.Bah. What're they going to do? Vote for Democrats? Or a third party?
GO AHEAD! THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY!!!
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
Guliani is not going to be the nominee. The Republican candidate for the Presidency is going to be Fred Thompson.
CIVPhilzilla
Reagan Republican
Ron Paul better get the Republican nomination, because he is the best candidate I have seen from either party.
Will Guiliani get people who vote Democrat to instead register as Republican to vote him in during primaries as a contender?
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
Almost certainly; it happened with McCain in 2000. Not sure it'll happen en masse, but it will happen.
PrincepsAmerica
Nothingness made flesh
Do you regard it as murder? When does is the body ensouled? As far as I know it is Church teaching that this happens at conception. Do you not believe this?
And what exactly is the process by which attaching your nationality to your faith makes it a new entity? Either you are a Catholic in the fullest sense, agreeing to submit to judgments such as that on birth control which has been declared infallible or you are a Catholic in name only, you have not submitted to the Christ as represented in the Church's holy pronouncements. Is the Church infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit only on issues you personally agree with?
(I apologize if this is considered a derailment, it seems appropriate to me.)
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Rudy's stance on abortion is something that turns me off big time. However it does not matter with my distaste for the Republican Party after the stunts they pulled since 2000.
Nylan
Characters Welcome
Rudy's a donkey in an elephant suit
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
No the Mayor of N'awlins just whined about how the government wasn't doing everything for him and about how George Bush hates black people (okay so that was Kanye West, not the point).
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
Unless I missed something, Giuliani didn't really do anything, but he looked damn good doing it.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
woops, wrong post...
Jawz II
Oh Dear
Kanye didnt say bush hates black people, he said he dosent care about black people. 2 different things.
And as Henry Rollins said, I dont think bush cares about poor people period.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
Aw cmon.
This is just the latest Crazy Wingnut Base fad of the month candidate. aka the "alsoran before the primaries even started" slot. Formerly filled by Tancredo and Sam Brownback.
Poor wingnuts never realize that the guys they pick never answer to the crazybase, only to money. George Bush turned out to be a reeeeeaal conservative huh?
nonconformist
Miserable
There were actually five planes hijacked that day, and one of them was being flown towards the White House. With the power of his mind, Guliani gave all of the hijackers heart attacks, and landed the plane safely at LAX airport.
That's my understanding as well. Sometimes good leadership is just being visibly leaderly and letting your people do the job they're supposed to do, because the decisions are obvious or are being dictated by circumstances. Obviously I don't fault Giuliani for his actions on 9/11/01, but I'm not prepared to give him the White House based on them, either, and nothing else in his record is particularly compelling to me.
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