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'Personhood' Ammendment in Mississippi

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Whiskey_Lord, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. Whiskey_Lord

    Whiskey_Lord Chieftain

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    The good state of Mississippi is about to take a brave leap into the 19th century.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/us/politics/personhood-amendments-would-ban-nearly-all-abortions.html?_r=1

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    Aaaaand it's reasons like this that I continue harping on religion: it has no business influencing public policy like this. I don't know about you, but I think it's likely to pass; this is the Southern US, after all. Taking all bets on how fast the Supreme Court will strike it down if it does.
     
  2. _random_

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    Stuff like this goes on ballots pretty much every election season, but it almost never passes unfortunately.
     
  3. Annex

    Annex Tyranny and Mutation

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  4. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Giving everyone a legal right to exist, how dastardly.
     
  5. bhsup

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    Yeah, cuz holding innocent life precious is just so damned funny.
     
  6. NovaKart

    NovaKart شێری گەورە

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    More like a leap back to the 1970s, not the 19th century.
     
  7. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    Will fertilizing clinics be illegal, too, then?
     
  8. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    If a pregnant woman trips, falls down some stairs, and has a miscarriage, is she guilty of murder?

    I know. Lets just give personhood to anything with cells.
    Next time you use hydrogen peroxide to clean some wounds, you are guilty of mass murder!
    Look, a chimp has more claim to personhood then a lump of cells with no mind to think of and demonstrates little more claim to personhood then a bacteria (a corpse demonstrates more). Also, I believe that a small percentage of fertilized eggs are naturaly aborted by the body for various reasons. Is the woman now guilty of negligent manslaughter if her body self-aborts?

    Problematic law raises many legal and ethical problems.
     
  9. Whiskey_Lord

    Whiskey_Lord Chieftain

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    Shhhh, stop spoiling my hyperbole.
     
  10. Skwink

    Skwink FRIIIIIIIIIITZ

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    Ehhhhh I'd call it manslaughter.
     
  11. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    haha spot on.
     
  12. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    I'd like to see you try and get a jury to rule a woman, grieving over the miscarriage, is guilty of manslaughter. I honestly would like to see any prosecutor try.
     
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    Actually I don't really know anything about the history of abortion's legal rights and under what circumstances it was legal before the 70s. Maybe this proposal would take things back further than the 70s since it's not very clear what if any exceptions to the rule would exist.
     
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    I think it is more in the line of granting anyone a legal right to potentially exist or not.
     
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    If a woman carrying an infant or very small child trips and falls down some stairs, and the child dies, is she guilty of murder? Or manslaughter?

    Why are we defining personhood based on cognitive ability? If the cells are biologically human, why shouldn't the law treat them as humans? Any point after conception where it starts to do so is completely arbitrary.
     
  16. Whiskey_Lord

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    From wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

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    Wouldn't surprise me if this amendment led to those sorts of things again.
     
  17. Thoughtful Thug

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    No. They would just go out of the state of Mississippi to carry out the abortion there.
     
  18. NovaKart

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    Shows how much the value of a dollar has changed when someone could pay a $10 fee in installments. I wonder how much a guinea was worth.
     
  19. Ayatollah So

    Ayatollah So the spoof'll set you free

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    If we say that being a member of the species Homo sapiens is the definition of personhood, so that embryos count, then we also have to say that corporations are not persons. Sounds like a good devil's bargain to me :mischief:
     
  20. innonimatu

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    Silly people, they should have just made an amendment declaring a fertilized egg to be a corporation.

    edit: xpost!
     

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