Idea: Generational Government

[ParkCungHee]

Why are you under the impression that the example question would be the only history-related question on the test?

So can you actually do any of the things he mentioned? Or discuss the causes of the Nine Years War? Or the development and decline of Tanistry? Or the illegalization and then legalization of Prize Fighting in the United States? How about the decline of it's Golden Age?

In short, what makes you so certain that you are part of the historically literate class, and if you're not, why do you feel no one of your kind should have a voice in government except you.

 

[sophie]

Why are you under the impression that the example question would be the only history-related question on the test?

I'm not. I'm just saying that if you're going to come up with absolutely ridiculous and arbitrary proscriptions for the right to vote, you might as well have some fun with it.

 

[Crezth]

Why are you under the impression that the example question would be the only history-related question on the test?

I have no problem with your proposal, actually, so long as other special-interest academics get to put their own questions on the test.

Something like this maybe?:

This would ensure people are capable of qualitative/critical thinking and would weed out anyone who would vote without full knowledge of the essential logical components behind fiscal policy.

 

[ParkCungHee]

And reality. If someone can't calculate the area of a sphere, there's no way they can actually understand the needs of voters who are partially made of spheres.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Instead of dividing government by age, why don't we elect officials based on merit? You know, put educated qualified people who actually are capable of ruling and thinking long term in positions of power rather than putting in power corrupt rich white men with super pacs whose sole reason for running for these positions is for self interest or because private companies want them there? Now I would love to see a true meritocratic system in power somewhere around the world.

edit: To add to this idea, maybe making the elections based on merit as well. Ideally to have an educational requirement to be eligible to vote, like for example, a Bachelor's degree? (or like Winner said, a special (easily attainable) license, the license being given on completion of a Bachelor's degree, or failing that(those who don't achieve a degree or never attend a college) can be attained by writing a test(could be many types of tests, specialized for your profession or field of work?) If the test is passed, you may acquire a voters license?)



excuse my grammatic errors, it's late at night.

 

[Traitorfish]

On Post-Fascism: How citizenship is becoming an exclusive privilege by G. M. Tamás


Just gonna leave that there...

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Traitorfish, Traitorfish. Am I detecting a slipper-slope-argument there?

 

[Silurian]

Do you think I was referring to you with "inno"? I actually meant innomiatu (or something )

Well if you Google innomiatu there is only one result.

Inno is meaningless to me.

All I see is an uncalled for personal attack.

Well window sills are awesome. You can rest your weary arms on them while grumpily looking at the world.

I think this exchange is a good example of why a generational government would not work.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Er...well.. I still don't get why you think it was a probable conclusion but anyway it wasn't mean to be a personal attack, let alone one against you. So..hug?

I think this exchange is a good example of why a generational government would not work.

How is that? Recognize someone in the picture you know? For that matter, do you happen to be old?

 

[Silurian]

Er...well.. I still don't get why you think it was a probable conclusion but anyway it wasn't mean to be a personal attack, let alone one against you. So..hug?

Well when you get up from your computer go up to various people and say this.

(no disrespect meant, but every time I have to go look how your name is written, I've gotten tired of it )

Then ask them how they feel about that statement.


As I stated above Inno is meaningless to me. I assume that it is recent internet slang but I have not found its meaning. I suppose I could start using Devonian school slang from the 1960s and 70s

I accept that it was not your intention to make a personal attack.

How is that? Recognize someone in the picture you know? For that matter, do you happen to be old?

If you restrict the government to certain age groups there is a far greater chance of misunderstandings between generations. People use the language that they think will best suit there audence. They have cultural references in common etc.


If I was to tell you that a lorry had turned up at work but we could not unload it straight away because we needed to get some bites first.

Would you think that it was our break time and we wanted to eat something first

Spoiler :

or we wanted to get some small bits of timber to rest the stuff off the lorry on so that it could be picked up by a forklift or crane with little manual effort latter.

When I was ten I thought that twenty was old.

 

[Winner]

Presumably you can also be disqualified for scoring to highly, giving your noted hostility to those of us with the habit of "over-intellectualising".

Nope. As much as it annoys me here, you're clearly qualified to vote. Most people on this forum I fervently disagree with on most issues are clearly qualified to vote.

I'd just like to exclude people who don't have the brains for considering what it actually is that they're voting for. In my opinion, increasing the average intelligence/educational level of the electorate would force the politicians to sell better political products instead the populist hogwash they are shoving down our collective throats now.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Text stuff

As I stated above Inno is meaningless to me. I assume that it is recent internet slang but I have not found its meaning. I suppose I could start using Devonian school slang from the 1960s and 70s

Silurian, see above quoted person. His name is innonimatu. Inno for short. He's who SiLL was talking to this whole time. And his name is devilishly hard to spell. I had to look it up too.

 

[Silurian]

Silurian, see above quoted person. His name is innonimatu. Inno for short. He's who SiLL was talking to this whole time. And his name is devilishly hard to spell. I had to look it up too.

I looked at innonimatu name after SiLL's post #48 but I assumed that innomiatu was something different and all I could get by goggling was similar words regarding bones, arteries, legal terms, Innominatus - Latin for "nameless" etc.

 

[Traitorfish]

Traitorfish, Traitorfish. Am I detecting a slipper-slope-argument there?

Not at all- the critique of these kinds of politics given in the link is quite authentic. The use of the term "post-fascism" is intended to place them within a tradition of anti-enlightenment nationalism that reached its political zenith under fascism, but is not reducible to fascism. (I don't necessarily agree with this analysis, but it's an interesting piece that makes some important points.)

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Alright, so much to the content of the link. Now to the meaning of you actually posting it in this thread. And there I thought to see the unspoken suggestion that once you start to consider limiting voting rights to certain groups, you drift into the arms of post-fascist / fascist ideology.
@Silurian
I don't think you can explain this misunderstanding with an age gap

 

[Traitorfish]

Alright, so much to the content of the link. Now to the meaning of you actually posting it in this thread. And there I thought to see the unspoken suggestion that once you start to consider limiting voting rights to certain groups, you drift into the arms of post-fascist / fascist ideology.

Well, I'll admit that the post was a little provocative mischief, but I really did hope that people would at least skim the link. The connections between the topic being discussed here and that in the essay are, at least in my view, substantial.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Fair enough, and at least I actually bookmarked it (though so I have done with a great many things )

 

[ParkCungHee]

anti-enlightenment nationalism that reached its political zenith under fascism

GAAAAAAAAAAH! I want to argue but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm not. I'm just saying that if you're going to come up with absolutely ridiculous and arbitrary proscriptions for the right to vote, you might as well have some fun with it.

Agreed. The American South was great at voting tests. But I'm sure that the motivations and results will be different this time, right?

While I can relate to a certain idealism in the OP, I think we need to continue moving away from dictating who has rights and can participate in government based on factors that are decided by accident of birth. Gender is an accident of birth. Race is an accident of birth. Age is an accident of birth. Once we cross whatever arbitrary line is drawn for adulthood restrictions based on age start resembling rather closely restrictions based on ethnic heritage.

 

[innonimatu]

Not at all- the critique of these kinds of politics given in the link is quite authentic. The use of the term "post-fascism" is intended to place them within a tradition of anti-enlightenment nationalism that reached its political zenith under fascism, but is not reducible to fascism. (I don't necessarily agree with this analysis, but it's an interesting piece that makes some important points.)

Fascism was definitely too enamoured of technocracy, using it as a justification for the lack of accountability of the government to the people it governed.

But the author of that article you linked to searches for the roots of fascism in the wrong people and works. It wasn't people like Carl Schmidt who enabled it, they just rode on it. It was people like Gustave Le Bon, whose work was itself a product of the world war and of scientific "positivism" carried to an extreme. His "enseignements psychologiques de la guerre européenne" were a manual to many future european dictators, like Mussolini. Not that I'm blaming him, it was indeed the war that exposed how it was possible to hierarchically command the people of a nation and have it accept the commands.

I wonder if the history of Europe would have been if the french soldiers had extracted appreciable political consequences of their mutiny in 1917. The folly that technocratic rule was feasible and stable might not have taken root in some minds.