Ideas and Development--Story NES

[Insane_Panda]

NK, could I have the honor of crafting the political map?

As for your name suggestions - I wholeheartedly approve of the 5 which you have listed with the IWS Empire as the flagship.

 

[North King]

NK, could I have the honor of crafting the political map?

Couldn't you have asked that before I colored in about 7/8 of the world and added in over a hundred cities?



Maybe... But I really like the map I'm working on right now...

 

[das]

and I suppose I can get around to writing that summary of each culture. And maybe craft the political map while I'm at it? Or a political map and a cultural map?

Do all that, I love relegating things to other people. Then again, I already did what was required of me mostly, and you did promise to do all the maps in the first place. So everyone kept his promises in the end, rather rare for this forum...

 

[Kozmos]

So is the IWS a designation only for the BattleCarrier ships or all Empire ships?

 

[North King]

Imperial War Ship; designation for all vessels of combat, yes, not just the battlecarriers.

 

[North King]

Does this suit our fancies?

 

[The Farow]

That is one of the best random maps I have ever seen.

How long did that take you to make?

 

[North King]

The map itself? A night or two. The political stuff took half a day.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

The map itself? A night or two. The political stuff took half a day.

Days you could have spend on your update...

But seriously, it's a beautiful map. Any ideas for names besides The Empire?

 

[North King]

You mean for other nations?

Well, I did contemplate calling the giant light orange, sinic/nordic one to the north of the Home Island "Xia Xia"...

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Nice. It took me a while to find the Empire's capital, BTW.

 

[Swissempire]

Tis beautiful, but ti seems like there are too many other small countries

 

[das]

Nice. It took me a while to find the Empire's capital, BTW.

You have to know where to look.

Great map, though some adjustments, as usual, might be in order:
- Didn't we agree to keep the far north semibarbaric?
- The western parts of the Mainland, apart from some coastal bases, are rather unlikely to come under Imperial rule.
- By contrary, why are there some Gulf states left independent? THESE the Empire would crack down upon early.
- Completely disagree about the eastern continent. The north should definitely be Imperial. The center and the south will most likely be independent, bases aside, though in the center there will probably be a puppet state of some sorts.

 

[North King]

You have to know where to look.

Great map, though some adjustments, as usual, might be in order:
- Didn't we agree to keep the far north semibarbaric?

It's claimed, with some centers of population, but the vast majority remains semibarbaric.

- The western parts of the Mainland, apart from some coastal bases, are rather unlikely to come under Imperial rule.

I disagree. (Hence, why they're on the map ). It's not so much that they're worth a lot, but that they have nothing stopping their colonization, being mostly taiga with a narrow band of fairly temperate climate. It's the Empire's version of Canada.

- By contrary, why are there some Gulf states left independent? THESE the Empire would crack down upon early.

"Blue Gray" and "Dark Purple" were collaborator nations, in tight royal marriage to the Empire. "Light Green" (we need names. Now.) was pretty much shattered, so while it seems like a lot, they lost most of their territory.

- Completely disagree about the eastern continent. The north should definitely be Imperial. The center and the south will most likely be independent, bases aside, though in the center there will probably be a puppet state of some sorts.

No. The north is mostly desert, and the Empire, in my invisioning, didn't want to bother fighting a protracted guerilla war, and thus took some Yemen-like strips and left the nomads in the center to fend for themselves, ala Saudi Arabia.

The green state is an ally of the Empire, most likely, and furthermore, being in deep jungles, is unlikely to be a conquest. In the center and south, by contrast, there's really nothing to stop the Empire. The continent would be isolated from the others enough that diseases would take a significant toll upon their contact (say, around 33-50%), so they would be decimated, and with the Empire in a colonizing mood, there would be really no one to stop them. The few states left are the equivalent of a slightly bigger and more successful Zulu mixed with Lakota--enough to fend off the Empire long enough to get them to sign a treaty which was thouroughly favorable to the Empire--but nothing more.

 

[das]

I disagree. (Hence, why they're on the map ). It's not so much that they're worth a lot, but that they have nothing stopping their colonization, being mostly taiga with a narrow band of fairly temperate climate. It's the Empire's version of Canada.

I think its far more likely to be that dark yellow/light brown state's Siberia.

"Blue Gray" and "Dark Purple" were collaborator nations, in tight royal marriage to the Empire.

What's the point of keeping them independent, though? At best they may retain some autonomy within the Empire by now, nothing else.

No. The north is mostly desert, and the Empire, in my invisioning, didn't want to bother fighting a protracted guerilla war, and thus took some Yemen-like strips and left the nomads in the center to fend for themselves, ala Saudi Arabia.

The north is rivered desert. Population naturally would concentrate along the rivers and thus will be easy to subdue. The rest will then come naturally as the desert raiders are gradually subdued as well.

In the center and south, by contrast, there's really nothing to stop the Empire.

Geographical distance. Its simply too far away and too difficult to manage, and thus not worth the trouble apart from capturing a few ports.

 

[North King]

I think its far more likely to be that dark yellow/light brown state's Siberia.

The tan state (ah, what the hell... Names...) was part of the alliance that fought the Empire in the First World War, and lost heavily--forced to part with their western possessions.

What's the point of keeping them independent, though? At best they may retain some autonomy within the Empire by now, nothing else.

What's the point in conquering them? They have modern militaries and weaponry, and they are already practically a part of the Empire.

The north is rivered desert. Population naturally would concentrate along the rivers and thus will be easy to subdue. The rest will then come naturally as the desert raiders are gradually subdued as well.

Nah. Too much effort for too little gain. Pursuing desert raiders for a few leagues of sand dunes is not productive. In the south, they're fighting a much easier war, with much greater gains...

Geographical distance. Its simply too far away and too difficult to manage, and thus not worth the trouble apart from capturing a few ports.

It's only a few month voyage. A nice expeditionary force neatly takes care of it, plus some colonists. Furthermore, it's rather rich land.

 

[das]

The tan state (ah, what the hell... Names...) was part of the alliance that fought the Empire in the First World War, and lost heavily--forced to part with their western possessions.

What use does the Empire have for said western possessions?

What's the point in conquering them? They have modern militaries and weaponry, and they are already practically a part of the Empire.

The Gulf must be put under control to guarantee the Empire's safety. That is the Empire's primary goal before it could concentrate on world-wide expansion. If they're practically a part of the Empire, why are they separate on the map?

Nah. Too much effort for too little gain.

What EFFORT? It doesn't take too much of an effort to quickly take over the region. It is very similar to the southern island, and things will develop on the same basis.

The north of the eastern continent is a natural part of the Empire, if only because of its geographic proximity and the easiness of conquest. It is also of some potential strategic importance, and far easier to defend than the southern lands (that logically would be attacked from the northern bases anyway).

The southern and central lands are going to be much harder to hold on to, plus the central ones don't strike me as awfully rich, while the southern ones are way too far. Logistics would be a hell, especially as unlike in the north the population is more spread-out and thus more difficult to subdue. In the end, IT is not worth the effort.

 

[North King]

What use does the Empire have for said western possessions?

Minerals, timber, and strategic possession--yes, it does require more forces to defend then might be prudent, but it also provides the perfect base for destroying the tan empire.

The Gulf must be put under control to guarantee the Empire's safety. That is the Empire's primary goal before it could concentrate on world-wide expansion. If they're practically a part of the Empire, why are they separate on the map?

Nein. The monopoly on intercontinental trade was what made the Empire the Empire.

Furthermore, they are separate entities, but tend to follow the Empire's lead.

What EFFORT? It doesn't take too much of an effort to quickly take over the region. It is very similar to the southern island, and things will develop on the same basis.

Not at all. It is the difference between the Arabs and Australia. The Eastern Continent, though it is less civilized than the Mainland, is still very much a part of the Empire.

The north of the eastern continent is a natural part of the Empire, if only because of its geographic proximity and the easiness of conquest. It is also of some potential strategic importance, and far easier to defend than the southern lands (that logically would be attacked from the northern bases anyway).

Ease of conquest, as I have said, I don't agree with. The Empire will be discovering them in their Medieval age anyway, and said contact will mean they are not the backward primitives of those south of the jungles.

The southern and central lands are going to be much harder to hold on to, plus the central ones don't strike me as awfully rich, while the southern ones are way too far. Logistics would be a hell, especially as unlike in the north the population is more spread-out and thus more difficult to subdue. In the end, IT is not worth the effort.

No. Again we have the analogy of Canada: fairly open, fairly rich land, ripe for the taking.

And they are not at all hard to hold on to, when the Empire has supreme naval superiority, and ability to ship their troops south.

 

[Swissempire]

I thought there was going to be like 4-5 Countries. Empire, as world Hegemon, Then like another 4 Medium powers that are to entrenched culturally and militarily to get rid of and are allies of Empire.

 

[North King]

I see four nations that have sufficient population density and technological capabilities to be medium powers...