I'm not a scientist man!

[Farm Boy]

I didn't ask if you knew of its existence, but of its educational use for high school students. I know more about the impact of Facebook on high school education than you, because I have had that experience and you presumably did not; in a tangential vein, you know more about raising kids than I do, because you have had that experience and I have not.

Point being, don't say "x is ruining education" when you don't know anything about x's impact on education.

Ok, consider the possibility that I work more than one job so farming isn't the whole shebang. It happens to be at a university. You don't have to sell me on the fact that information sharing tools can be used to good educational effect. I see it, I lived it with slightly older tools. Technology isn't ruining education, and actually, I do happen to know something about it. Sorry I can't agree with you there. "Old people don't know anything about what I experience!" is what I was characterizing as the arrogance of youth. You don't stop learning about how to learn when you wake up and see the dawn some arbitrary number of times. Facebook and Twitter and Mechwarrior Online, and any number of wonderful and terrific innovations are no less wondrous because I can remember having to use a card catalog at the library to get information I wanted. Heck, I probably think it's more wondrous and innovative for that.

Take my whole statement, the one about Facebook and Twitter use in it's entirety rather than cropped for effect. I said "12 hours a day" in there. Yes, somebody may educate themselves with Facebook. They might play repetitive clicking games for much at that time as well, or post vapid narcissistic crap with that time instead. Or engage in tremendously shallow communication. Look at Facebook posts from people in my age bracket, if you think that's an important designator, and see how much stupid and mundane information is shared about our vomiting and peeing larva.

People have always wasted time on vapid stuff. The tools of shallow and meaningless entertainment and media consumption are getting better. The content is more fun, it's more ubiquitous. It rides around in our pockets everywhere and you don't ever have to shut it off. Insofar as distraction can be an impediment to educating oneself and quality reflection on views and opinions - these things are a concern. If you care to assess the momentum on these things, they're picking up steam while the religious are losing it. Thus the context of the original statement.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Wait wait wait.

Did someone say MechWarrior?

Hell to the Awesomesauce!​

 

[EulerMcE]

What do y'all mean by axiom?

I know my axiom's and there's only North Korea, Iran and Iraq in it, ain't no maths.

(seriously, what's an axiom?)

Essentially beginning logical statements that are taken as true, from which logical deductions are made. For example Euclid's postulates that characterise Euclidean space or the axioms that define a vector space.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Essentially beginning logical statements that are taken as true, from which logical deductions are made. For example Euclid's postulates that characterise Euclidean space or the axioms that define a vector space.

Ok, so how does this apply to 2+2 = 11?
(thank you for answering)

 

[Farm Boy]

Wait wait wait.

Did someone say MechWarrior?

Free to Play in the current iteration. Not without balancing problems, but an amusing play for what it is. Lone wolf merc pilot "Hou"

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Free to Play in the current iteration. Not without balancing problems, but an amusing play for what it is. Lone wolf merc pilot "Hou"

Wait wait wait

MechWarrior still exists?

OMG OMG EHMAGERD!!​

*brain asplodes*​

 

[Farm Boy]

Wait wait wait

MechWarrior still exists?

OMG OMG EHMAGERD!!​

*brain asplodes*​

Open beta testing right now, go download it an play it. It's free. We can get more into that elsewhere if giant stomping robots is your thang too.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Open beta testing right now, go download it an play it. It's free. We can get more into that elsewhere if giant stomping robots is your thang too.

I will definately have to pencil this in between space station module launches for Kerbal Space Program.

 

[EulerMcE]

Ok, so how does this apply to 2+2 = 11?
(thank you for answering)

I don't think it really pertains much to it at all. Essentially you would just be redefining what is meant to by + or =, perhaps even 2 and 11.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I don't think it really pertains much to it at all. Essentially you would just be redefining what is meant to by + or =, perhaps even 2 and 11.

Oh, thank goodness. I thought I was missing something really basic about math, some obvious way of looking at it that I didn't know about.

 

[warpus]

Is kerbal worth it? It seems like it'd get boring fast.

/tangent

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Is kerbal worth it? It seems like it'd get boring fast.

/tangent

Absolutely. (start at the end of the thread and work your way backward because: )

Although it's only in Alpha build, they are continually adding new stuff all the time. The last posts in that thread show off all the really fun new stuff, while the older posts show old versions with less cool stuff.

There is a lot to do in this game, which is presently only an open-ended sandbox. However, they will be adding a campaign mode, new parts, new planets and stuff do later on. If you buy it now for $23, you get all subsequent updates for free. The price rises with each new update, so if it seems interesting, get it sooner than later. Also, they have a free demo to try out, but it's very basic.

So yes, it's absolutely worth it. Tons of fun - build a rover, a munbase, a satellite and a massive orbital space station in a day, then the next send off expeditions to the various moons and planets, then the next try your hand at spaceplane construction and orbital docking, then the next...on and on.
/derail

 

[Antilogic]

Is kerbal worth it? It seems like it'd get boring fast.

/tangent

It's a shockingly fun game, I still haven't done half of what I want to do in it. Although you definitely don't want to play it on a 4-year old laptop, let me assure you of that.

 

[Zack]

<snip>

It seemed to me that you were arbitrarily declaring Facebook to be a direct cause of idiocy (or at least implying it). It has nothing to do with your age, rather that it's harder to make a judgement that "x does y" when you don't have direct experience with x.

Anyways, this is a stupid argument about something trivial.

 

[Farm Boy]

It seemed to me that you were arbitrarily declaring Facebook to be a direct cause of idiocy (or at least implying it). It has nothing to do with your age, rather that it's harder to make a judgement that "x does y" when you don't have direct experience with x.

Anyways, this is a stupid argument about something trivial.

Naw, sorry if that implication was the one you got. I just wanted to make the point that scientific knowledge and awareness has far more enemies than people who kneel in pews. I'd say far more powerful enemies than the church-goers at that, and far more insidious.

 

[peter grimes]

Absolutely. (start at the end of the thread and work your way backward because: )

Although it's only in Alpha build, they are continually adding new stuff all the time. The last posts in that thread show off all the really fun new stuff, while the older posts show old versions with less cool stuff.

There is a lot to do in this game, which is presently only an open-ended sandbox. However, they will be adding a campaign mode, new parts, new planets and stuff do later on. If you buy it now for $23, you get all subsequent updates for free. The price rises with each new update, so if it seems interesting, get it sooner than later. Also, they have a free demo to try out, but it's very basic.

So yes, it's absolutely worth it. Tons of fun - build a rover, a munbase, a satellite and a massive orbital space station in a day, then the next send off expeditions to the various moons and planets, then the next try your hand at spaceplane construction and orbital docking, then the next...on and on.
/derail

Oh my, why did I click on that link?

I'll let you know if I go for it - but my personal time is really thin these days

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Hehehe. I regret that I didn't get the game months ago when cardgame first suggested it to me. It is a blast!

 

[warpus]

Oh my, why did I click on that link?

I'll let you know if I go for it - but my personal time is really thin these days

I bought the game and the learning curve is crazy.. but it is fun, even if you suck.

And.. yeah. there's scientific instruments that you can send up into space.. so yeah.. /not a tangent

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I bought the game and the learning curve is crazy.. but it is fun, even if you suck.

And.. yeah. there's scientific instruments that you can send up into space.. so yeah.. /not a tangent

Rocket science is hardly tangential to this thread, btw. And rocket science is exactly what the game is all about.

Anyone want to talk rocket physics?

 

[WindFish]

Oh man

I could have got Kerbel for 15 of your US dollahs