Imperium Offtopicum V

Its called progress. The East is progressing. The West are wolves in a world of Sheep (That happen to have loaded muskets.)

England has no need for your "progress". Your so-called social advancements are simply ways of propagating your heathen agenda. Science and progress serves the state and Christendom first, and not the peasant. Not in any sane society.
 
We have feudal and Christian obligations to lesser men and peasantry of course, but that doesn't require individual freedoms that they have not earnt.
 
we closed the borders. the Muslims and jewish people also voted. the majority of them wanted to live in a nation that the pope likes, rather than hated.

turns out i did all that for nothing. :(

i may gradually reverse some of the changes.

Muslims and Jews voted to be suppressed? I don't think so. And not only are you persecuting them, but you won't even let them leave? Horrible I say. No wonder the honorable Pope doesn't want to reconcile with you.
 
We have feudal and Christian obligations to lesser men and peasantry of course, but that doesn't require individual freedoms that they have not earnt.

They have earned the right to be left alone. Or someday your kingdoms will be thrown down and freed by the armies of the East!
 
I herby support japan's embargo of Byzantium, and would like to spend my diplomatic point on creating an official alliance with them

I recomemend that Domination3000 waits for the opinions of the other members of the AoFN before making threats the the Christian nations who have done little wrong.
 
Is that a challenge, Japan? May I remind you that just the force of the Catholics would kill you. Add in the Orthodox, and maybe even the Molsism in fighting in a common enemy...
 
Muslims and Jews voted to be suppressed? I don't think so. And not only are you persecuting them, but you won't even let them leave? Horrible I say. No wonder the honorable Pope doesn't want to reconcile with you.

no they arent repressed. they kept their jobs and everything and they are able to get any job they wish. except government. they get absolutely no representation whatsoever. that is repressive to me.

they are free to leave, but frankly none of them wants to leave. they fear bad treatment by other states because they are Byzantine citizens.
 
I herby support japan's embargo of Byzantium, and would like to spend my diplomatic point on creating an official alliance with them

I recomemend that Domination3000 waits for the opinions of the other members of the AoFN before making threats the the Christian nations who have done little wrong.

I decline your offer because we already made an alliance which has never been broken;)
As for threats, its not a real threat, but rather, a strong statement worded as a threat.
 
They just get killed here or are forced to fight the servant boys unless they are here for official reasons, such as diplomatic or such, that would need to be pre-approved.

And a strong statement worded as a threat is still a threat. Do you want to die?

And any Catholics that wish to flee are welcome here.
 
no they arent repressed. they kept their jobs and everything and they are able to get any job they wish. except government. they get absolutely no representation whatsoever. that is repressive to me.

they are free to leave, but frankly none of them wants to leave. they fear bad treatment by other states because they are Byzantine citizens.

What does "depriving Muslims and Jewish peoples of their rights" mean to you? No government representation? You keep changing what you are saying. First you say closed borders, then you say they can leave, make up your mind! South Africa will gladly welcome any Muslims, regardless of what country they come from.
 
They just get killed here or are forced to fight the servant boys unless they are here for official reasons, such as diplomatic or such, that would need to be pre-approved.

And a strong statement worded as a threat is still a threat. Do you want to die?

And any Catholics that wish to flee are welcome here.

We refuse to allow any travel to Italy or Byzantium. However, they can go anywhere else if they want.

What does "depriving Muslims and Jewish peoples of their rights" mean to you? No government representation? You keep changing what you are saying. First you say closed borders, then you say they can leave, make up your mind! South Africa will gladly welcome any Muslims, regardless of what country they come from.

I know you have a Muslim government, but do you allow other religious groups their rights?

And of course, Muslims can leave to your country if they want a less-secular government.
 
I know you have a Muslim government, but do you allow other religious groups their rights?

And of course, Muslims can leave to your country if they want a less-secular government.

Yes we do. We're tolerant but definitely not encouraging. And we allow people to leave whenever they choose. The majority of the people have adopted Islam as their main religion anyway so it is not a major deal, but we do not prevent the practice of other faiths.
 
Heathen of Japan, hear me well. No true Christian nation shall allow heretics and heathens to walk all over them.
 
Yes we do. We're tolerant but definitely not encouraging. And we allow people to leave whenever they choose. The majority of the people have adopted Islam as their main religion anyway so it is not a major deal, but we do not prevent the practice of other faiths.

Good for you!

We don't care if you want to encourage a certain religion or not. That's up to you, so long as you aren't burning them at the stake or anything if they don't;)

In fact, many citizens have told us to burn adherents of Catholicism because they hate the pope so much, but we have refused.
 
The Duchy of Burgundy does not proscribe any religions within its borders. It does however heavily tax and otherwise disadvantage Jews and Muslims, as dictated by their monstrous actions towards Jerusalem and our Lord in Heaven. However, upon hearing Japan's comments about supporting sedition from the peasantry, Duke Phillip is currently leaning towards proscribing Confucianism out of spite.
 
OOC: It is the 15th century. Europe is still very much in the Medieval periods. Free religion does not exist. Islam is considered heathen and dirty, and if we were going with our timeline, Orthodox is just a fraction above that. You are acting far more like a 20th century nation with all its ideals and polices than a medieval nation.

/rant
 
The Duchy of Burgundy does not proscribe any religions within its borders. It does however heavily tax and otherwise disadvantage Jews and Muslims, as dictated by their monstrous actions towards Jerusalem and our Lord in Heaven. However, upon hearing Japan's comments about supporting sedition from the peasantry, Duke Phillip is currently leaning towards proscribing Confucianism out of spite.

Mali is displeased. Your intolerance to the one true faith makes the Sultan Oliver rage.

Of course we do not inhibit Christians. Only barbaric foot-washers do that.
 
OOC: It is the 15th century. Europe is still very much in the Medieval periods. Free religion does not exist. Islam is considered heathen and dirty, and if we were going with our timeline, Orthodox is just a fraction above that. You are acting far more like a 20th century nation with all its ideals and polices than a medieval nation.

/rant

a fraction? sorry but the crusades restoring Byzantium in 1180 does not count as a 'fraction'
 
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I would like to specifically address some key issues, espeically with Domination3000's complaint. Eventhough you stated you wanted six territories each turn in Japan, You still need to post the order in the respected turn. I cannot keep track of your whatever per turn. Bad enough I have to comb through the spam and diplomacy

Also, kudos to thoes individuals who posted there claims in a regional form and not a full blown map. For the others, please post your claims in a regional form in the future.

If there are any issues with the claims, please PM me (but don't SPAM MY in box. Looking at you Domination3000)

actually there's a giant mistake with your map, namely you completely left out my country all together let alone any claims I made and not only that but you also have Egypt's territory flowing through mine even though I already claimed it.
 
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