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We assume this accusation has something to do with Poland. The real double standard would have been refusing to support our ally's claims when we have done so before.

Do not lecture Germany on Australian motivations.
 
To: Oceania
From: The Republic of Greater Australia and New Zealand

I have a slight feeling we are talking about two different Papaus. Never the less this issue must be settled. I have made maps regarding the land that the Government of Australia has problems with you claiming.

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This map contains Papau New Guinea. The Red circle shows land that I think you consider part of your de Jure land, The blue circles are the islands that were part of the old nation of Papau New Guinea, that you claim I don't have claim to because the old nations are dead and you have claim to because of linguistic and cultural ties, tell me. Do you not suppose that over those 100 years that the old people you claim to have ties to have either, A. Migrated to another land, B. their culture has changed to no longer be similar to yours. or C. Both. Pray tell how you have a larger claim because of this supposed similarities between the indigenous people there and how I don't claim because of the similarities between my people and the people who live in Urban areas. In addition the Australia has had the intention to bring peace to the area of Papau New Guinea since 2106 as can be seen here. Because of my Intention to bring peace and order to Papau, also included all land that the former nation of Papau New Guinea controlled, I assumed that would have been common knowledge.

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This map shows your "de jure" claim over another land that is currently claimed by Australia, not just because of the land we currently have, but also in our name. The Republic of Greater Australia and New Zealand.

Because you have claimed to be the "de jure" ruler over these lands, you are infringing on Australian Territorial Integrity.

Since you have not attempted to claim the islands that we want, we will let that slide, but if you do not stop infringing on our territorial integrity, our only solution will in fact be war to defend our territorial integrity.

However, if the only way to defend our territorial integrity is war, then it must come to war.

- Prime Minister David Walker

If it does not come to war, Australia will continue with its plans to reunite Papau New Guinea and claim these lands:

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From: Thailand
To: World


Thailand calls both sides to show the maximum constraint and allow the UN to take control of the disputed area and organize free elections on weather they want to join Australia, Oceania or be independent.
 
The more nations, the better. the Gangnam Republic wants independence for Papua
 
King Olaf the Fair has stated he's going to remain neutral in the whole claims fiasco.

Claims:
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The Confederation will keep out of the Pacific argument but we will remind the world that we desire to trade with other powers. We are intrested especilly in developing ourselfs a confederal aerospace industry for the benefit of ourselves and others.

Remember: our ores are desirable.
 
Dearest Saka Walker,
Now that I think of, the Great unified kingdom of Oceania could also claim as well 'de jure' your lands in Australia, not only the ones in Papua and Aotearoa.
It is of popular knowledge that the aboriginal people, as you call them, roamed by their continent freely during no less than 40,000 years, making them the longest uninterrupted civilization in human history, although they didn't reach very advanced a high level of development.
Them along with Maoris, Polinesians, Melanesians, Micronesians and even some Malayans are the people that since the dawn of man have called their lands theirs. Our ancestors. Eons before europeans came uncalled for with their colonial subjugations. History is undeniable. And now you claim that because of a name you self-appointed yourselves, your claims, so recent compared to the memory of our peoples, are more valid than ours! Names that are empty of history and meaning, being Australia the land of the south and new zealand the land that supposedly could compare to some lands nearly to the antipodes of the globe (being them near the actual Republic of Barcelona).


But we choose to leave this subject. It is much more important to us peace and prosperity than some even arrogant desire to reclaim our 'uberland', feat that we don't need to make and is well beyond our capacities and desires.
The land already claimed by you must be untouched, as it is now part of your inviolable sovereignty (except on case of war, case we don't want to see, as stated always).
We protest at your false claim on New Zealand just because it is 'in your name'; we don't have to name ourselves 'Greater nation of Oceania and Chile;' to automatically declare hostilities to the Order because that territory is ours. We will accept New Zealand as yours (without any problem), when it is a real part of your nation.
We won't claim New Zealand because it is the country of Perfection, who has inviolable sovereignty over his territory, sovereignty you have injustifiedly chosen to violate through war.

About Papua:
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Note that the map is not exact. I tried to clean it from all the random colors the program gives to it for more visual realism, and it seems I merged the 3 islands on th right of the 3rd square on one (being two of them already mine on the last turn, sorry about that).
1: All of the conflicting zone (don't mind colors on the rest of the map)
2: Zone claimed already by you, and thus untouchable. (I can give away those small light blue islands for the sake of good relations if you want).
3: The territory that you cannot say it wasn't blank when I claimed it.
This is the point where negotiations have to take part. You, sake Walker, for the moment, could begin on explaining to me how is that you can make me 'disreclaim' from blank islands, which have been part of our people during thousands of years, because you hold a paper that says 'in the beginning of the 20th century, a mere blink in the past, some politicians in the antipodes of the world liked to draw straight lines where they wanted, neglecting cultural and geographical differences, cutting territories like pieces of cake.Pieces of cake that came to be a country named Papua New Guinea (a place in Africa!), which stood a mere century or so.'
If you manage, I will be greatly surprised by your oratory skills.
Vinaka kei ni sa moce.
 
Interfering with Indonesia? Looks like someone's got a deathwish. The Gangnam Republic will watch this closely.
 
Heh, I wouldn't be so dumb. You misunderstood me...
I just that I could claim Indonesia the way Germany could claim France because it was a part of the HRE, or that China could claim Korea because it was a part of it long ago, nothing more.
Which, ofc is stupid.
 
Germany could claim France because it was a part of the HRE,

France wanted to remain neutral on this, but like every conflict, dirty mendogs have to drag the women into their poop flinging contest.

France was never part of the HRE. Not the HRE of the middle ages, and not the HRE of the last decade. We might had been part of the Carolingian Empire, and Burgundy might had been part of the HRE, but France was never part of the HRE.

Secondly, Australia has a better claim to New Zealand than you do. NZ may had been a Maori state thousands of years ago, but today it is made up of mostly British-descended colonists today. You represent native Polynesians, and Australia represents the post-colonial state. Therefore, Australia should get New Zealand because it would better represent its best interest*.

Now, I think everyone should simply stop whining about this before France decides to remake French Polynesia.

*Implying any patriarchial state is their "best" interest.
 
I hope this "Claiming Indonesian territories" are just a misunderstanding.

Heh, I wouldn't be so dumb. You misunderstood me...
I just that I could claim Indonesia the way Germany could claim France because it was a part of the HRE, or that China could claim Korea because it was a part of it long ago, nothing more.
Which, ofc is stupid.

Uh.....isn't that what you just did in the case of Australian Papua?

This is the point where negotiations have to take part. You, sake Walker, for the moment, could begin on explaining to me how is that you can make me 'disreclaim' from blank islands, which have been part of our people during thousands of years, because you hold a paper that says 'in the beginning of the 20th century, a mere blink in the past, some politicians in the antipodes of the world liked to draw straight lines where they wanted, neglecting cultural and geographical differences, cutting territories like pieces of cake.Pieces of cake that came to be a country named Papua New Guinea (a place in Africa!), which stood a mere century or so.'
If you manage, I will be greatly surprised by your oratory skills.
Vinaka kei ni sa moce.
 
I wonder how the world would have responded if Russia was more belligerent in the Poland issue.
 
Dearest Saka Walker,
Now that I think of, the Great unified kingdom of Oceania could also claim as well 'de jure' your lands in Australia, not only the ones in Papua and Aotearoa.
It is of popular knowledge that the aboriginal people, as you call them, roamed by their continent freely during no less than 40,000 years, making them the longest uninterrupted civilization in human history, although they didn't reach very advanced a high level of development.
Them along with Maoris, Polinesians, Melanesians, Micronesians and even some Malayans are the people that since the dawn of man have called their lands theirs. Our ancestors. Eons before europeans came uncalled for with their colonial subjugations. History is undeniable. And now you claim that because of a name you self-appointed yourselves, your claims, so recent compared to the memory of our peoples, are more valid than ours! Names that are empty of history and meaning, being Australia the land of the south and new zealand the land that supposedly could compare to some lands nearly to the antipodes of the globe (being them near the actual Republic of Barcelona).
we just noticed you called aborigines polynesian which isn't even wrong anymore, just an entirely different level of non-understanding of anthropology.
Consider all diplomatic ties severed for good.
 
France was never part of the HRE. Not the HRE of the middle ages, and not the HRE of the last decade. We might had been part of the Carolingian Empire, and Burgundy might had been part of the HRE, but France was never part of the HRE.
Let me rephrase that: "I just that I could claim Indonesia the way Germany could claim France because it was a part of the Carolingian Empire"
Gawd, it was just a random example :wallbash:
Anyways

I hope this "Claiming Indonesian territories" are just a misunderstanding.
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Uh.....isn't that what you just did in the case of Australian Papua?
I think you seemed to relate the fact that malayan people share culture (not very much today) and language group with oceanians, which is an objective truth, to somehow take these words, change their meaning and say, 'oh, we're in a middle of a crisis with australia, let's claim on other people's land as well', taking away the fact that I just said:
But we choose to leave this subject. It is much more important to us peace and prosperity than some even arrogant desire to reclaim our 'uberland', feat that we don't need to make and is well beyond our capacities and desires.
The land already claimed by you must be untouched, as it is now part of your inviolable sovereignty (except on case of war, case we don't want to see, as stated always).
Hope it's solved. Now, on to the next part: I'm open to enhance trade between our nations :D
About Papua, it's different, as it is part of the Melanesian region, the center of our kingdom (we even use Fijian as national language as I've been showing the last posts). But I repeat, inviolable sovereignty, etc.

we just noticed you called aborigines polynesian which isn't even wrong anymore, just an entirely different level of non-understanding of anthropology.
Consider all diplomatic ties severed for good.
Do you want an advice? Read better before you post. As you can see, I didn't put aboriginals inside Polynesians, duh. They are all parts of the Oceanic people, unified in part as of today in our Kingdom. And if even I had made this mistake, it's no reason to cut diplomatic ties. You're just looking for an excuse, so maybe next you could say it openly, like: "I don't like you, because why not"
 
Let me rephrase that: "I just that I could claim Indonesia the way Germany could claim France because it was a part of the Carolingian Empire"

Still wrong. The Carolingian Empire was an empire of the Franks, AKA the French. We would be the ones claiming Germany. If you can't get your history straight, stop trying to use it for your arguments.

All said and done, we don't care about this except for how you tried to use us as ammunition for your fight. Don't do that again.
 
Don't be a jerk. I used nation A and B to demonstrate X. If you're pissed off because I used the name 'France' you have some kind of problem.
Also, now that I reread your post, French Polynesia isn't represented on the map. Maybe next time you can say New Caledonie, for example, instead of failing that much.
 
~ The dark figure seemed to creak as he rose from his dusty throne, a triple crown festooned with cobwebs lay upon his head, his robes were pale and worn. Long had his mind been elsewhere yet now the time had come again for him to rise once more

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I've been away from IOT for a while, preoccupied with other things. No longer. I thus inquire as to how I may initiate involvement in this IOT, are their nations spare or free lands ripe for the occupying?
 
Jeho, you've returned to IOT's! :clap:

Join as the Pope.
 
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