In God Some of us Trust...

[Shadylookin]

Well in actual truth let me poose this question, if national support from the majority is for this then is it not allowed. The ruling right of any body is decided by the people under them. Majority rules, and let me posse this hypothetical situation lets say a vote goes to all states stating the national realigion is to be Protastant Chritiantiy, and it passes with majority support meaning the church would be intergrated, would that not force congress to amend the Constition to allow for church intergration, or does a peice of paper overule the majority?

I don't think you understand how the constitution works. It sets up a framework for government that cannot be undone by a simple majority.

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

read these please

there is alot more there, do you now disagree with our national heritage

by your reasonings these men would be in violation of the consitition they wrote

Why would they be in violation of the constitution? They had the right to free speech and they could say whatever notion popped into their head. Heritage is a rather shallow reason for the government to support religion.

 

[LucyDuke]

by your reasonings these men would be in violation of the consitition they wrote

That does not follow.

Well in actual truth let me poose this question, if national support from the majority is for this then is it not allowed. The ruling right of any body is decided by the people under them. Majority rules, and let me posse this hypothetical situation lets say a vote goes to all states stating the national realigion is to be Protastant Chritiantiy, and it passes with majority support meaning the church would be intergrated, would that not force congress to amend the Constition to allow for church intergration, or does a peice of paper overule the majority?

The US is not a democracy. We select those who will govern, not how they govern.



But... let's say we do govern by majority rule and that if 90% of Americans wanted to, we would in fact override the first amendment like you suggest. In that hypothetical...

what the hell is your point?

 

[LucyDuke]

then that means the declartion of indepdance would give us the right to overthrow the government, read it, your statement goes agasint the very document that gave us freedom and the founding idea of the nation

No, the right to alter or abolish government that has become destructive to the security of inalienable rights is held to be self-evident.

The DoI gave us no freedom. The men that shot redcoats did that. You should show more reverence to the soldiers that came before you.

 

[candle]

i do, my family line on my fathers side traces back to a Col Serving in the NC Militia actully.

 

[Cutlass]

I have, and I cant find anything that says mere words on a coin or building establishes religion. That would be truly bizarre in a country so steeped in religious rhetoric. The Framers worried that Congress would legislate religion or one religion over another (same thing actually), that was the concern expressed by the Danbury Baptists to Jefferson inspiring his metaphorical wall of separation. C'mon, you can do better than that response...

And you know better than yours. This isn't rocket science.

 

[Cutlass]

Well in actual truth let me poose this question, if national support from the majority is for this then is it not allowed. The ruling right of any body is decided by the people under them. Majority rules, and let me posse this hypothetical situation lets say a vote goes to all states stating the national realigion is to be Protastant Chritiantiy, and it passes with majority support meaning the church would be intergrated, would that not force congress to amend the Constition to allow for church intergration, or does a peice of paper overule the majority?

Which protestant Christianity?

 

[candle]

I don't think you understand how the constitution works. It sets up a framework for government that cannot be undone by a simple majority.



Why would they be in violation of the constitution? They had the right to free speech and they could say whatever notion popped into their head. Heritage is a rather shallow reason for the government to support religion.

any government that does not serve the majority has ceasesd its right to rule, do you deny this basic truth, would you follow the government if you hated everything it stood for along with the rest of the country. Do you blindly follow washington

 

[RedRalph]

any government that does not serve the majority has ceasesd its right to rule, do you deny this basic truth, would you follow the government if you hated everything it stood for along with the rest of the country. Do you blindly follow washington

So, like Bush for the last few years of his Presidency?

 

[candle]

So, like Bush for the last few years of his Presidency?

an approval rating taken from the west coast is not indictive of actual support. Most of the mid west supported Bush but we are considered backwards and not represented in such poles

 

[RedRalph]

an approval rating taken from the west coast is not indictive of actual support. Most of the mid west supported Bush but we are considered backwards and not represented in such poles

No, that was nationwide polls, like it or not. For the entire country, in other words

 

[candle]

No, that was nationwide polls, like it or not. For the entire country, in other words

except the midwest doesnt bother, I myself didnt bother with the approval rating polls, we have better things to do than take a new poll every month, we work, the west and east coasts should try it

 

[JollyRoger]

except the midwest doesnt bother, I myself didnt bother with the approval rating polls, we have better things to do than take a new poll every month, we work, the west and east coasts should try it

Based on unemployment rates, you all were working less during the Bush years.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

My big question is why does anyone care? Christian, Jews, Muslims, Bahá'í, Zoroastrianism, etc. shouldn't be offended, since they all worship 'God'. Atheists shouldn't be offended, since they don't believe in him and it doesn't really matter.. (It's not like the thing says "Convert or Die!!"). And other relgions shouldn't worry since they can just laugh it off and say, that's not right...

I will say, however, as much as you want to argue it, Judeo-Christian religons have shaped histroy post 3 A.D., but I wouldn't go so far as to say the US was founded as Christian realm. Considering most of our founding fathers were Deists, I'd say this is rather the opposite.

 

[candle]

My big question is why does anyone care? Christian, Jews, Muslims, Bahá'í, Zoroastrianism, etc. shouldn't be offended, since they all worship 'God'. Atheists shouldn't be offended, since they don't believe in him and it doesn't really matter.. (It's not like the thing says "Convert or Die!!"). And other relgions shouldn't worry since they can just laugh it off and say, that's not right...

I will say, however, as much as you want to argue it, Judeo-Christian religons have shaped histroy post 3 A.D., but I wouldn't go so far as to say the US was founded as Christian realm. Considering most of our founding fathers were Deists, I'd say this is rather the opposite.

the Diest myth is simply that a myth. The founding fathers where all active members off there church. And the Christian influance can be seen in the consition and the first 10 amendments. All men are created equal was said by Jesus Christ long before it was in the Constition and that phrase was taken straight from the bible. So please do not spread the myth, as its insulting to devalue the faith of the founding fathers. They went so far as to say the constition and bill of rights where for people of realgion only.


And we do not worship the same god. Jews and Christians Worship the god of Abraham, Islam Worships Allah, and the rest worship there own god. Only jews and Christians share a god, and it is a fallacy to say Islam follows the teachings of the one true god, as there holy book is the total opposite of the bible

 

[JollyRoger]

All men are created equal was said by Jesus Christ long before it was in the Constition

You need to learn the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

 

[RedRalph]

except the midwest doesnt bother, I myself didnt bother with the approval rating polls, we have better things to do than take a new poll every month, we work, the west and east coasts should try it

I have literally never, ever seen a less convincing argument here on OT. Never

 

[Phlegmak]

They went so far as to say the constition and bill of rights where for people of realgion only.

If they said that (which they didn't) then "rights" in the US are pretty much meaningless.

And we do not worship the same god. Jews and Christians Worship the god of Abraham, Islam Worships Allah, and the rest worship there own god. Only jews and Christians share a god, and it is a fallacy to say Islam follows the teachings of the one true god, as there holy book is the total opposite of the bible

Muslims, Jews, and Christians all worship the Jewish god.

Most of what you say seems to be just a joke though.

 

[MobBoss]

the Diest myth is simply that a myth. The founding fathers where all active members off there church.

Uhm. You may want to do some more research on this. While I do agree that the vast majority of founding fathers were indeed religous and were church members, there were some - a handful - that were indeed diests.

No harm in admitting the truth.

 

[Miles Teg]

All men are created equal was said by Jesus Christ long before it was in the Constition and that phrase was taken straight from the bible.

Verse number please?

 

[West 36]

My big question is why does anyone care? Christian, Jews, Muslims, Bahá'í, Zoroastrianism, etc. shouldn't be offended, since they all worship 'God'. Atheists shouldn't be offended, since they don't believe in him and it doesn't really matter.. (It's not like the thing says "Convert or Die!!"). And other relgions shouldn't worry since they can just laugh it off and say, that's not right...

Implying trust on the whole of the people is sort of offensive, sure there may be no real repercussion for that but just in principle one would think that if you're going to say something on behalf of many others you don't say something that would alienate some, even less if it's completely unnecessary. And as has been said the 'God' in question is most certainly the Christian, or at least Abrahamic one.

I will say, however, as much as you want to argue it, Judeo-Christian religons have shaped histroy post 3 A.D.

I don't think anyone would argue against that, I mean the Judeo part was shaping history well before that. And I can say with 100% certainty that it influenced the founders of the US, but as you said, that doesn't mean they were necessarily Christian, or that they were founding the nation with Christian beliefs instilled in it.

the Diest myth is simply that a myth. The founding fathers where all active members off there church.

Several were deists, this is fact.

All men are created equal was said by Jesus Christ long before it was in the Constition and that phrase was taken straight from the bible.

What Miles said.

They went so far as to say the constition and bill of rights where for people of realgion only.

Explain this please?

And we do not worship the same god. Jews and Christians Worship the god of Abraham, Islam Worships Allah, and the rest worship there own god. Only jews and Christians share a god, and it is a fallacy to say Islam follows the teachings of the one true god, as there holy book is the total opposite of the bible

Islam is an Abrahamic religion, disgust of it doesn't change that. How is the Koran the complete opposite of the Bible?