Incense No More

[tao]

To my greatest dismay I discovered that we let the incense deal with Greece expire without renewing it.

I consider this a major major error, which would have never happened to me in one of my games.

In a demogame, is it necessary to explicitely discuss and poll luxury/resource deal renewals every time? If yes, it should be the standing order for t&t to make absolutely sure that this is done. Failure to do so should be punished by severest flogging and flaming.

Now we are short 2 happiness points in cities with markets. And that either depletes our cash by higher lux tax or cripples our growth and production. Very very bad.

 

[Rik Meleet]

I confess; it had slipped my mind. But then again; apparently it slipped everyone's mind; no-one reminded me of this. But I am this term's Trade Minister, so I am responsible thus I take the blame.

We need to re-sign this deal ASAP, preferably in the preturn. The trouble is: there is no more incense for sale. Perhaps we need to cancel some Greek deals with other civs (for instance by signing them into an alliance against the civ they are trading with or break thei traderoutes), to be able to get the deal back. For that we need to know who they are shipping it to.

They have 7 insence, but only 3 sources connected; 1 for themselves and 2 to other civs. The F4 screen shows they are trading with Russia and Babylon; so it seems they get our incense.

Egypt has 2 resoures on insence, but only 1 connected.

Our only chance to get incense back is to declare war on Babylon or Russia and sign the Greeks into it. Testing the cost would mean playing along, which is illegal; I can't tell you the cost. I did however locate Greeces only harbor; it's in Athens and can be blocked by a single galley. Unfortunately; no galley is near. If we want this, we have to rush a galley in the nearest town; Acheron, sail it to Athens and hope we aren't told to leave in the 7 turns we are spending in Greek waters. Perhaps declarin war on Babylon and signing the Greek into it will get us Incense quicker.

No other luxuries are on our or the GreEgy continent, so it's them or nothing.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Or we declare war on Greece of course; and capture their Incense town (Sparta) and a town which can build a harbor (Mycenae or Pharsalos).

 

[ybbor]

or, this may seema little, odd, but maybe we could connect thier incense for them? jst ship a worker or two over, hook up thier incense? sure, we'd lose workers for a few turns, and they'd get a free improvement, but compared to bieng able to get incese seems like a small cost to pay

 

[Kato]

I like it, it helps both of our economies and allows us to be even stronger as allies.

 

[tao]

As I outlined in this post we could get 4 incense plus iron in Knossos by cleverly bringing in Greece in our war against Egypt.

Huntington is absolutely clueless in building a granary. It could finish a galley in 2 turns and build an aqueduct afterwards.

This galley can ferry say 4 knights, 2 pike, 2 swords across to 3 tiles west of Ravens's Flight. Not to engage in war early, but wait till the time is right. We should take Knossos towards the end of a 20 turn alliance with Greece and then make peace.

We need agreement from the MoD and the new governor of Berry and the DP has to carry out the plan. I think it is doable. And we will have extra 3 incense to trade.

It would be a peace of cake in any regular game. Can we do it in the demogame?

 

[Chieftess]

Egypt could reach that city in one turn if they used War Chariots, but yes, it would also deny Greece their only source of iron. But, that's assuming Egypt takes Knossos. Personally, I think there's too much chance involved...