Deon
Lt. of Mordor
Eh, it's a bit dumb to ask it for the third time, but nobody seems to notice my main question. Is anybody working on Pedia stubs or can I do it freely?
incremental patch discussion
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Deliverator
Graphical Hackificator
Go for it, Deon. No-one else is doing any stuff to the pedia at the moment as far as I know. It would be good to get more content fleshed out as we have added/changed quite a few units, buildings and techs recently.
Also, we have a pedia thread that we can use for pedia-related discussions just to keep this thread about patches and releases.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
Thank you, I missed it. I will post updated text files there then.
davidlallen
Deity
Let's get confirmation that this 1.7.3 has no painful bugs. I can add other simple stuff into it, such as your python and the new pedia text by Deon. Once we get confirmation, then I will release it.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
I approve the info that 1.7.2.5 plus the fix for Monitor Warship posted by Deliverator work fine for me and there're no more errors. Thank you very much.
Deliverator
Graphical Hackificator
Gave the 1.7.3 beta a quick test and all looks good. Both the AI and I were building spice harvesters. Spice palaces work fine. All art looks as expected.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
Wait, I can build monitor ships right away. What else should I change to disallow it?
embryodead
Caliph
Well, now that I clicked OK I see you're right, but the installer is rather confusing. When I run it I get this popup: "Dune Wars is already installed. Do you wish to uninstall? OK/Cancel". Clicking cancel exits the installer; when I clicked OK... it installs the mod
With 1.7.3 installed the normal way - the art files I reported missing are all in place. If I install the same patch manually by unzipping - they are missing. That will teach me to use EXEs only, but it's weird. Sorry for the trouble.
I think there's one side-effect to my fix, if so, sorry for the trouble again
It seems the AI values the spice too high in the trade window - I don't know how much it was ready to pay for it with corps, but I can get 1 luxury or health resource for 1 spice, or 6gp/turn (probably more, that was all the AI had at that point). Doesn't affect the AI but it's abusable by human player, I guess. The AI should not be happy to pay more than 3-4gp/turn - matter of fine tuning the values to make sure it's about that number (which I can do).
Deliverator
Graphical Hackificator
I have thought that this is a bit confusing myself. Often I will rename my current Dune Wars folder to keep it from being overwritten, then, when I run the installer, I get this popup even though (technically) Dune Wars is no longer installed due to the renaming.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
Deliverator, can you comment on the Monitor Warship issue please? 
davidlallen
Deity
When I run it I get this popup: "Dune Wars is already installed. Do you wish to uninstall? OK/Cancel". Clicking cancel exits the installer; when I clicked OK... it installs the mod
Yes, the installer is from phungus420. I do not understand the technology, I just edit some variables in his "nullsoft installer script" and run it. Supposedly, if you have a previous version installed, it should delete it. I think the installer adds a registry key which says whether the mod is installed, rather than looking at files. I don't think I can fix this, and phungus420 doesn't have much time/interest to spend on the installer.
I think there's one side-effect to my fix, if so, sorry for the trouble again
If you are going to tweak something, there are suggestions by orlanth a few posts back. As a human player, I can't imagine a situation where I would trade something to get spice; so perhaps the AI should just never offer or accept it.
embryodead
Caliph
I remember reading the problem with the suggested iAIObjective is that it alters settler AI, making AI want to settle near spice. For tweaking I just mean to scale the spice value down with the number of cities, just as it worked with corps.
Just checked the 1.7 version and the AI was willing to buy spice but only for 2 gp / turn - that's about enough to stop the human from trading it.
embryodead
Caliph
Tested on the same Atreides PYL WBSave 200 turns. Harvesters are built like before, but the AI will only pay 2-4gp/turn for spice (it's a straight copy of corp formula now).
EDIT: disregard this and just change the iAiTradeModifier for spice in the CIV4BonusInfos.XML to -100, that's simple and stops spice from being traded altogether, without affecting harvesters.
EDIT: disregard this and just change the iAiTradeModifier for spice in the CIV4BonusInfos.XML to -100, that's simple and stops spice from being traded altogether, without affecting harvesters.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
But NONE will make it avaliable from the start.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
For some reason my monitor warships are unable to attack cities. Is it supposed to be so and why?
Ahriman
Tyrant
I definitely think the best solution for Spice is to have the AI never trade it away or trade for it. Is that possible? Too easy to exploit otherwise, by selling above its value or below its value.
Monitor should be able to attack cities. A bunch of thopter and suspensor units have had a cannot attack cities tag activated by accident. I haven't tested in latest versions which ones still have the problem.
Monitor should be able to attack cities. A bunch of thopter and suspensor units have had a cannot attack cities tag activated by accident. I haven't tested in latest versions which ones still have the problem.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
But where is it? I see no arppropriate tag in XML. It can freely destroy enemies around a city but cannot get those inside of the city.
davidlallen
Deity
I don't think the problem is as simple as activating a "cannot attack cities" tag in the xml. Which specific tag do you have in mind? I think for some reason, no DOMAIN_SEA unit (thopter, suspensor) cannot attack cities. This has to be related to all terrain units somehow, but I am not sure how. Offhand, I think something may have gone wrong in the 1.7 merge to new versions of BUG and RevDCM. I am pretty sure that every "sea" unit, in every version since 1.7, has had this problem, but I have not confirmed it.
Ahriman
Tyrant
I have no particular evidence on this, I thought you had said it was an xml tag when I mentioned something about the hawk thopter. You are probably correct.
I seem to remember being able to attack cities with thopters at some point in the past at least, so I think this has been somewhere introduced along the way.
1.7 seems plausible.
I've confirmed it with several units; suspensor gunship, hawk thopter, suspensor destroyer.
Deon
Lt. of Mordor
I tried it and all all-terrain units cannot do it. A bit sad heh.
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